Author |
Message |
Blue Dwarf
Content Dev
Team:
Main: Blue Dwarf
Level: 61 Class:
None
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:39 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably).
_________________ "They've taken Mr. Rimmer. Sir, they've taken Mr. Rimmer!" "Quick, lets get out of here before they bring him back!"
Support
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:44 pm |
|
|
Griffin
Team:
Main: Stabberz
Level: 2153 Class:
Gunner
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Blue Dwarf wrote: I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably). Make these sheets public. There's tons of things imaginative people can think up when they know the parameters.
_________________
Blue Dwarf wrote: In space, no one can hear you cha cha cha.
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:01 pm |
|
|
coffee
Team:
Main: -Zeus-
Level: 2477 Class:
Berserker
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:08 am
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Sorry been a bit afk great to see so many people are in agreement with this but i must still stand by my 3 augs slots and same increase to shields and energy. then that would compare to the other oly ships. then its worth forking out the creds
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:15 pm |
|
|
saran
Team:
Main: goldstar-stations
Level: 2020 Class:
Engineer
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Griffin wrote: By goldstar's logic, Gunners should be killed Missile Masters. Makes more sense to me anyway. Most of their damage is done through mass missile spam. Their weapon damage is nothing to brag about most of the time. but the weakness debuff is handy. But id call em something more spiffy... Maybe Missile Tech. Thanks much dwarf. I appreciate your concern and help so far.
_________________
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:53 pm |
|
|
Zekk
Member
Team:
Main: Kyp
Level: 2610 Class:
Engineer
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:49 pm Location: my desk
|
Re: Zeus Throne
I find it slightly ironic that the comparisons have been primarily with PBF and not with EFDN... let me incite futher displeasure.
ZT stats are exactly the same as EFDN stats, with the exceptions of (generally) 10% better resists, 20 more speed, and LESS bank bonuses. for what? 100x the cost at least?
The one thing I would point out is that ZT build consumes no Platinum at all, since plat bars are exclusively (by smart ppl) made using cyanure, and the research modules are not consumed. The weight of platinum in the research modules is significant but lets be accurate when we place that weight, shall we?
_________________ Pies are yummy.
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:05 pm |
|
|
Chaosking3
Team:
Main: Spatzz
Level: 2402 Class:
Engineer
Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Wicked expensive either way. The reason I personally compared it to the PBF was simply that we already have 4 very dedicated t21 Cap Ships that are improvements on the Dread from Red Photon. Having 2(4 RP Ships = 1 in this) ships attempting to fill the Dreads slot in the t21 level is incredibly silly when you provide both with only 2 aug slots and the exact same job.
That being said if you look at the t20 level we have 2 t20 Cap Ships not counting the BS and both are incredibly different in their job and equally attractive in their different uses. Giving the ZThrone a "PBF makeover" would make it very useful in a different way then the RP ships. Nerfing some of the stats for a 3rd aug slot so at to make it more customized would be pretty cool and I would personally use the ship on a few of my chars should I have the chance.
_________________
JeffL wrote: Come have sex with me in space, my lord
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:31 pm |
|
|
coffee
Team:
Main: -Zeus-
Level: 2477 Class:
Berserker
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:08 am
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Im sorry its pretty obvious this needs the 3rd aug slot it doesnt even compare to the other oly ships. This Pretender takes the longest to kill in oly yet if you throw it into some ai or pvp it would be the first to die. ZT - 3 aug slots wouldnt be broken, but it would be worth using and actually useful. Im building this ship regardles cause i think its hella sexy
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:38 pm |
|
|
saran
Team:
Main: goldstar-stations
Level: 2020 Class:
Engineer
Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Zekk wrote: I find it slightly ironic that the comparisons have been primarily with PBF and not with EFDN... let me incite futher displeasure.
ZT stats are exactly the same as EFDN stats, with the exceptions of (generally) 10% better resists, 20 more speed, and LESS bank bonuses. for what? 100x the cost at least?
The one thing I would point out is that ZT build consumes no Platinum at all, since plat bars are exclusively (by smart ppl) made using cyanure, and the research modules are not consumed. The weight of platinum in the research modules is significant but lets be accurate when we place that weight, shall we? Its not like people are going to build a ton of ZT's to sell..we are talking one use blueprints. you cant do what we did with dreads and just sell em to pay for the research modules an such. So i count that as part of the final cost.
_________________
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:55 pm |
|
|
Shawn
Team:
Main: Shawn
Level: 2603 Class:
Berserker
Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:20 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Blue Dwarf wrote: I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably). Also please re-look at the Absentis and delqua. abs is tech20 and delqua is tech21 and very expensive but abs has better stats almost allaround.
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:02 pm |
|
|
anilv
Member
Team:
Main: enkelin
Level: 3002 Class:
Speed Demon
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
saran wrote: Zekk wrote: I find it slightly ironic that the comparisons have been primarily with PBF and not with EFDN... let me incite futher displeasure.
ZT stats are exactly the same as EFDN stats, with the exceptions of (generally) 10% better resists, 20 more speed, and LESS bank bonuses. for what? 100x the cost at least?
The one thing I would point out is that ZT build consumes no Platinum at all, since plat bars are exclusively (by smart ppl) made using cyanure, and the research modules are not consumed. The weight of platinum in the research modules is significant but lets be accurate when we place that weight, shall we? Its not like people are going to build a ton of ZT's to sell..we are talking one use blueprints. you cant do what we did with dreads and just sell em to pay for the research modules an such. So i count that as part of the final cost. I think you are missing the point. There is a lot of great Zeus gear (currently much more worthwhile than ZT) that you need the modules for. Any decent team should have at least two Zeus research modules, so I don't think it's correct to factor in the plat cost when discussing the build cost of the ZT at all.
_________________ (DefQon1) use a Rhino reconstruotereatarerer - (Pasta) I need to figure out how to get rid of this UrQa Suqqa Ukuk (Bluenoser) Put your finger in your mouth and gag reflex should do the rest
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:36 pm |
|
|
Cygnus
Team:
Main: __
Level: 2482 Class:
Berserker
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Shawn wrote: Blue Dwarf wrote: I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably). Also please re-look at the Absentis and delqua. abs is tech20 and delqua is tech21 and very expensive but abs has better stats almost allaround. Delquad is amazing at what it does. Which is different from what an absentis does. It's fine.
_________________ http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1408128/Demiser_of_D
landswimmer wrote: ALL HAIL CYG THE MESSIAH!
|
Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:51 pm |
|
|
Zekk
Member
Team:
Main: Kyp
Level: 2610 Class:
Engineer
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:49 pm Location: my desk
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Shawn wrote: Blue Dwarf wrote: I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably). Also please re-look at the Absentis and delqua. abs is tech20 and delqua is tech21 and very expensive but abs has better stats almost allaround. what drugs are you on? the only thing worse on delquad is reflectivity... which is still managable for PvE. and for DPS purposes the inbuilts kick the shit out of absentis.
_________________ Pies are yummy.
|
Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:20 am |
|
|
Cygnus
Team:
Main: __
Level: 2482 Class:
Berserker
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Why the HELL do people COMPLETELY ignore things when they compare stuff? Do certain stats just go out of vogue from time to time? Is resistances not fashionable right now?
Ye gods, people!
The delquad has TERRIBLE resists. It is COMPLETELY unsuitable as an ubering ship unless you can GUARANTEE that it will not get shot, because if it gets agro, it's probably going to die.
But EVERYTHING else about it is ridiculously awesome. You just have to not get shot.
Sheesh...
_________________ http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1408128/Demiser_of_D
landswimmer wrote: ALL HAIL CYG THE MESSIAH!
|
Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:35 am |
|
|
anilv
Member
Team:
Main: enkelin
Level: 3002 Class:
Speed Demon
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:28 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Cygnus wrote: Why the HELL do people COMPLETELY ignore things when they compare stuff? Do certain stats just go out of vogue from time to time? Is resistances not fashionable right now?
Ye gods, people!
The delquad has TERRIBLE resists. It is COMPLETELY unsuitable as an ubering ship unless you can GUARANTEE that it will not get shot, because if it gets agro, it's probably going to die.
But EVERYTHING else about it is ridiculously awesome. You just have to not get shot.
Sheesh... Your sniper gets shot?
_________________ (DefQon1) use a Rhino reconstruotereatarerer - (Pasta) I need to figure out how to get rid of this UrQa Suqqa Ukuk (Bluenoser) Put your finger in your mouth and gag reflex should do the rest
|
Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:13 am |
|
|
Blue Dwarf
Content Dev
Team:
Main: Blue Dwarf
Level: 61 Class:
None
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:39 pm
|
Re: Zeus Throne
Griffin wrote: Blue Dwarf wrote: I'll look into it (balance wise) next time I'm playing with the ships balance sheet (tomorrow probably). Make these sheets public. There's tons of things imaginative people can think up when they know the parameters. You do realize these sheets have every single stat on items in them, even some balancing ones you don't see? This is why we suggest suggesting rough stats, or some stats so we can work the rest in (hell, if we let you think up everything, where's the fun and imagination for us(me)? XD) But, the sheet say ZT is the least powerful, by quite a bit. Just giving it a 3rd slot brings it much more inline with the others... But that's such a boring fix, any other ideas? And ideas for the in builts?
_________________ "They've taken Mr. Rimmer. Sir, they've taken Mr. Rimmer!" "Quick, lets get out of here before they bring him back!"
Support
|
Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:00 am |
|
|
|