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thebattler35
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Main: thebattler36
Level: 1791 Class:
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Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:24 am Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Item form ships.
Implement it in game. To balance: The item form ship is neurobound. Make ship sizes a bit bigger again. Reduce weight a little. Anything in the ship is destroyed. Will destroy equipped augs. Small credit cost associated with tech level.
Reasons: Fits with sandbox PvP ideals, helps teams beaten in war, helps promote small group/solo PvP. People can move elsewhere after universe starts, helps small teams. Paying real money to move game items is ridiculous.
[Edit] If possible, store equipped augs in the itemform ship. Would make this useful for moving.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:51 pm |
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goett
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Main: goett
Level: 2157 Class:
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Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:36 pm
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Re: Item form ships.
Neurobound? Couldn't toss trans or base sell.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:19 pm |
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saran
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Main: goldstar-stations
Level: 2020 Class:
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Joined: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:54 pm
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Re: Item form ships.
You can get your ship item formed by admins. Atm SS offers it as a paid service. You can also get an aug reset done by them as well.
$10 per ship, augmenters and items are destroyed. $30 for Aug reset.
Though I think fairer prices would be $15 per ship and $20 per aug reset it is still possible and it is offered so that if you really want to you can, and it benefits SS as a whole and means you cant just save creds and crash what is left of the markets.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:36 pm |
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anilv
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Re: Item form ships.
Can you explain how this is supposed to help players pick up and move after reset?
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:43 pm |
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Visorak
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Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:04 pm Location: q3dm17
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Re: Item form ships.
Neurobinding kind of defeats the purpose. Only possible use I can think of is getting rid of unused t19+ ships w/o waiting an eternity with them in stasis.
But then they would still be sitting in your thatch.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:50 pm |
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syberian
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Re: Item form ships.
Reason: You can move part of ur ships to new location in case when your galaxies were taken by enemy.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:03 pm |
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anilv
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Re: Item form ships.
You can already tow though. Wouldn't it make more sense to just expand the towing system than to open a new can of worms with item-forming?
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:12 pm |
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thebattler35
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Main: thebattler36
Level: 1791 Class:
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Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:24 am Location: Glasgow, Scotland
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Re: Item form ships.
anilv wrote: You can already tow though. Wouldn't it make more sense to just expand the towing system than to open a new can of worms with item-forming? Admins have rejected towing in the past, apparantely max towing fees to move spheres etc. around isn't enough. Visorak wrote: Neurobinding kind of defeats the purpose. The purpose is to allow you to move your "home" area after you dock intially without flying each ship individually. I said to destroy the augs so it isn't used for aug resets. But if admins can store the augs equipped in the itemform ship that would be much better. anilv wrote: Can you explain how this is supposed to help players pick up and move after reset? Admittedly with augs as they are people won't destroy them to move the ship. But this would allow you to move multiple ships in a storage ship to a different part of the universe where you would redeploy.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:19 pm |
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goett
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Level: 2157 Class:
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Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:36 pm
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Re: Item form ships.
slave an ancient scouttie (AS), do it one at a go. dock switch to AS, go back, new ship, slave AS, repeat etc. thatches would suck but honestly i don't see how you could item form your storage and move it.
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Bonecrusher
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Re: Item form ships.
thebattler35 wrote: Implement it in game. To balance: The item form ship is neurobound. Absolutely NOT. Enough with the neurobinding crap. If the ship wasn't neurobound in the first place it should NEVER be neurobound. However I see where TB is coming from on this so just make Tech 18+ ships once they are re-item formed so they can't be traded or sold. (Unless the RC restrictions are modified upward, in which case the tech level for transfer restrictions should also rise.) thebattler35 wrote: Anything in the ship is destroyed. Will destroy equipped augs. Yes. Ship is returned to item form so it can be stored or used to make "+" ships. I see this being used to make "+" ships rather than for moving. A ship that has been re-item formed with a tech level greater than max RC should only be able to be removed from the upgrading base by the owner of the ship. (Yeah it sounds like neurobinding, but without all of the other restriction... I.E., if the RC level rises above 18 then a control bot can be used to xfer the ship, which neurobinding would prohibit.) thebattler35 wrote: Small credit cost associated with tech level. Credit cost should reflect the ship's tech level. "+" ships should cost 2-5x to item form.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:22 pm |
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thebattler35
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Main: thebattler36
Level: 1791 Class:
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Re: Item form ships.
goett wrote: slave an ancient scouttie (AS), do it one at a go. dock switch to AS, go back, new ship, slave AS, repeat etc. thatches would suck but honestly i don't see how you could item form your storage and move it. I've done that and its a stupid system. goett wrote: [on neurobound] Would need to be neurobound so people don't crash markets by itemforming ships they don't use anymore. saran wrote: [on priced itemforming] Its stupid to force people to pay RL cash for what should be an ingame service.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:25 pm |
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Madridista
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Re: Item form ships.
What about a paying feature to "limbo" your docked ships? Like 1b first time, 10b second time, 20b third time (per uni). Or even $5 for a limbo...
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:29 pm |
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thebattler35
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Level: 1791 Class:
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Re: Item form ships.
Madridista wrote: What about a paying feature to "limbo" your docked ships? Like 1b first time, 10b second time, 20b third time (per uni). Or even $5 for a limbo... Charging real life money for features that should be automated ingame isn't a good practice. The whole point of this thread is to replace the current, micropayment, system with a system which is accessible. scaled cost limboing would be a viable if indiscriminate alternative.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:31 pm |
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Visorak
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Re: Item form ships.
Alright. You raise a good point. But neurobinding + aug destruction is utterly useless. And then how do you move your storage or any of your combat ships with good augs?
IMO, aug resets are already cheap (and they destroy the augs), there is no reason for itemforming ships to destroy augs. (so long as they are neurobound.)
Still, Towing is a much better topic to go into. I thought Jeff was kind of for lowering tow costs.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:36 pm |
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thebattler35
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Re: Item form ships.
Visorak wrote: Alright. You raise a good point. But neurobinding + aug destruction is utterly useless. And then how do you move your storage or any of your combat ships with good augs?
IMO, aug resets are already cheap (and they destroy the augs), there is no reason for itemforming ships to destroy augs. (so long as they are neurobound.)
Still, Towing is a much better topic to go into. I thought Jeff was kind of for lowering tow costs. resets are different from reboots. If you can itemform the ship while keeping the augs equipped on that ship then it would be a preferable solution.
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Octo wrote: QFT Octo either owned the fish initially, or scooped it when he podded any/all of the above.
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