Since when did any physical wep do that much knockback and since when analysis go if u go over 40 or what ever. Ai can warp and u keep analysis. Do what voomy said and try it.

Veneration cylinder

I weigh in at about 2.5m weight, it knocks me back at 60 speed or so per shot.

Again...you do not lose analysis. You can be flying at 700 speed pew pewing at nothing and as long as you did not change targets you keep your analysis.

I guess if that easy setup is "so hard" to figure out I'll simply keep it secret and use it.

RoF? what RoF? ofc the resulting dps (even if you consider a M. Cloak to boost crit. hit chance) is neglectable.

Well, "Seer suffers" is simply addressing advanced tactics - but talking to some high lvl Seer lately I see that those don't even apply tactics to avoid getting hit by any of the full tracking weapons when assaulting a GB, which you can do.
So I highly doubt they use range (w. tracking) and the fallback of the firing vis. to their advantage in DG - for example with MF Reavers.

EDIT: put screeny in instead of numbers out of my leaky memory

I've taken part (under the old Sniper) in Sniper uber runs - ofc an all stealthy squad.
Even then dealing with the spawn while the Sniper works on the uber was not easy (usually it didn't mean just killing the spawn of):
but as it seems the majority has the approach to go in stealthy, move far out and shoot it down from there.
So we are a neglectable minority - I would have assumed beel would also have posted in here but as I was wrong I will bow down before the majority and hopefully the better of the game.

I still hope that for my favourite pair up - Sniper + Seer (and sometimes others ofc) - there will still be a reasonable way.

Voom, i think you should look into this (as im sure u dont want what is in my comment to have to happen again )

Well it has on my seer alt we have to get much closer to the ai, (unlike sniper class) after shooting at the target and hoping it is a crit shot the target and also the mobs see you, follow and shoot you 6-10 sec longer that they used to. Resulting in an external hull inspection from your pod other seers on my team have related the same problem.

please look in to this.

The admins seem to not test anything anymore. Sniper has range for protection, seer no/low visibility. This is nerfing 1 class much more than any other and that is seer. Seer already is shit for uber runs, now this just makes it pretty much completely impossible to kill AI that is not 1 shottable.

I agree that this makes seer worse, but since when has seer EVER been any good for uber runs, anyway?

Why is that a justification for anything? There will eventually uber content for Seers, and there's already plenty of PvAI outside of uber runs.

I just wanted to point it out

You're right, seer could probably get a -50% firing vis time or something on the stat.

I just added an exception to this for any ship with the Seer skill.

And THAT's how we get things done! Cheerio, jeff!

Well played sir

*applause*