Maybe there's 20 kits sitting on top of the assault kit. But the diagram does not show that so it's rather irrelevant to the given example.

If there are many kits in the galaxy center, that means fewer kits providing aerial coverage (as I already stated). Thus, there will still be space to deploy given assault kit out of base ranges.


I also see 0 problem with adding new tactics as well as removing exploits at the same time.

How about if bases count as objects you can lay within' 15K of. So defenders cannot possibly cover all of the available space since you can always lay withing 15K of one of their bases?

Simply give base kits 40 billion vis if you so desire. Making a limit for how far a legit attacker can place kits in order to stop exploiting is a bit silly. All you have to do is come down on exploiting harder and folks will stop.

Who cares if they make excuses, it is obvious if they are doing it. If you see a middle eastern man in a US airport with a carry on that is making a ticking noise do you search him? Yes, because it is bloody obvious

best idea's tbh then the attackers can still attack but defenders cant hide there kits.

This prevents the creation of stealthier bases via bana equipment and still allows people to fly out a few dozen million and spam kits. The point of this system should be to prevent exploiting and the unnecessary waste of time needed to deal with tickets of the sort.

Again, simply punish exploiters much more harshly then is already done. No one will risk doing that if it means a 2 week ban on all their accounts

Several issues with this:

1. The admins want to move away from manually enforced rules, which is what the current situation is, that's why they're proposing hard-coded rules that remove the possibility/practicality of actions generally deemed to be exploiting. This is why this thread exists, telling them to judge people more harshly does not improve anything nor does it contribute.

2. Hard-coded rules are preferable because there are always issues when people are punished for "exploiting". Rarely, if ever, are there true cut-and-dried cases of exploiting a certain rule, and those cases are traditionally dealt with harshly. The problem comes when people try to adapt to situations and follow rules, but rely on non-traditional mechanics that are not allowable in every circumstance.

3. Determining what accounts are "all their accounts" is also an issue in cases, as the SS community has cultivated a practice of keeping old accounts around, as either team-use accounts or multi-use accounts. There are many ways one could determine who owns what account, but short of limiting how many accounts can be owned per player (another hassle in and of itself) you may end up punishing people that were not involved in an exploit, except for being on the same team as the culprit.

So yes, while the idea of the admins being much more prone to banning and harsher on their interpretations of the rules sounds like it would fix a problem, the SS administration is understaffed (i.e., can't be everywhere), and implementing such a policy would likely drive away customers and create more problems than they would fix. Hard-coded rules are what allow strategies and events like BvB to occur (much like the change from "we'll 'ban' people who drop low-tech kits in an attack to fill up slots" policy to the hard-coded "destroyed kits do not take up base slots in a galaxy"). Telling the admins not to come up with hard-coded rules means you want to exploit the system how you see fit (that is, case by case).

*gives a cookie* to Cyrillicov

/Signed - Want this to happen, 30k max distance base deployment in-game rule

Put it at 12,5 k. It will be more funnier to bvb.

This is being added in the patch on Friday. All bases must be placed with 30k distance of a planet, moon, sun or wormhole. After this goes in, there will be no manually enforced rules about placing bases far away.

Edit:

This is now available for testing on test2.starsonata.com

Can we have patch notes for the changes to everything pl0x?

/me deploys a kit 15k out then tractors it to 50k out.

It'd take you hell of a long time if LC has SD's hounding you

there are no written rules, just implied ones. everything is ambiguous and confusing as it always will probably be.

hard coded this sounds like a large waste of time if the bases aren't coded in as objects.

btw church think he was talking about low vis super hard to see bases (which do exist) in your own system. take you 20 minutes to tow a base to 100k (completely afk btw). abuse will continue IF i'm reading the new hardcoded rules correctly. just sounds like now no one will be following up on complaints.

is there going to be interim enforcement? at least til we can determine if there is possible abuse?