MF Picks tank TOO MUCH? Are you fucking retarded?
I can clear a level with my Zerk in 3 seconds,
I powerleveled off em using a 3shot in my SD and cleared em retardedly fast, my Engi rapes with with AIs in seconds, etc, etc.
Dmg is nice, shields aint.

He can fire them once every 5 seconds or something...

I'd say that a normal volcom is far more dangerous

MF picks tanking? From my experience they have roughly the same shields as regular picks, except they are much faster and hurt a lot more.

BGs yes, the ones from dgs that are level 900ish and do more damage should roam peri.

Drop missles do insane damage, but they're level 1600 so idk if thats overpowered... would be nice if their launch time was increased so they woudlnt dump their whole load of 12+ in an instant as you warp in on top of them

Grim is kinda weak... compared to drops. if grim is supposed to be an agro mini uber shouldnt he be better than the agro roamers?

both grim and drops are equal threats to lowbies in peri. Drops are also a threat to anyone soloing with under 100k shields (sds, HF gunners, solo zerkers) and perhaps their most annoying trait is to dump a load and warp away, in the direction you're going... so when you get there they dump ANOTHER load at you. and probably kill you.

MF picks seem to have less bank than regular picks sometimes... so no.. just no...

The last time there was a nasty MF Reaver in a DG, it required at minimum 2 Zerker/shm combinations. The dumb MF Reaver was able to 1 shot SD's. We blamed Voomy for giving them Sniper Class Level 100.

Sounds good, give us Super-Reavers!

Well, it is a good idea until you figure out the first was found in a DF200 dg.

They do a lot of damage yes but they are also easily countered. They cant have more then 5 missiles which means that is how many they can launch at the same time, not 12+.

They are an issue for slave users - mainly shm and FCs.

The reason is simple:

The missiles are not enemies till they impact on it's target and they launch them off your screen.
That means your slave won't shoot it until hits the slave and your chances to target or mark it are low.

So you don't have - unlike with other classes - a real ability to counter it.
So if you don't have your EFDN specifically setup to counter (fast RoF multibullet weapons) that you are pretty screwed.

I also don't know any reasonable setup for slaves that lets you tank the missiles of 3 Drops - not uncommon in early peri (DF 300+); usually you can catch a few but 10+ missiles downs a slave just.

Ofc as SD you laugh just at them - except you warp upon two on a gate (which did not happen to me yet).

I tried to measure it out last uni - they were doing around 20k damage per missile (and it wasn't energy or laser).

So basically they're an GG eater for slave users; Nothing too bad but nothing that is a challange or fun to fight as well.
Also I really think drops don't count as "Small AI level "

Ragnaroks and Voltage swarms murder the smaller levels.


i suggest unteaming most warp 1 ai, make it easier to level

By the way, I think "small AI level / gear balances" means that the balances were fairly minor, not that the AI level was low.

This is correct. Also, I forgot to clarify: AI can have varying levels - I'll add a notation to indicate a universal level change or specific DG change.

I'm going to discuss specific issues in this thread in our meeting on Wednesday, I hope - esp. regarding Basils.

I'll second the motion on the ragnaroks. Those huge swarms of 12+ meanies attacking level 50 players really do cross the line from "challenging" to "impossible and not fun anymore."

At a higher level, there has been a problem with the top tier of MF Forgones spawning at a lower level than the second highest tier for a long time. Various admins have acknowledged that it's a bug, but fixing it is always forgotten at uni resets. Could you take a look?

I can look into this and fix as appropriate - again, this kind of input is very useful.

I think the forgones level bug was fixed; which is why we now have the 1.2k forgones, 1.6k MF2 forgones and the 2k MF3 forgones.