Most probably it would be implemented as a team based cooldown so you could store as many as you wanted but you would only be able to deploy 1 every 24 hours. There are just too many possible exploits to cover to make it possible to have only one assault drone.



The point of it is that you make the fight more PvP than PvB. If the team wants to defend they will need to PvP you while their bases are weak, and hold you off long enough for the drone to expire. Obviously the defenders would still have an advantage, even with the weakened defenses, bases running at 10% effectiveness are not a total joke.



Actually I think the assault drone that weakens bases would pretty much all but guarantee that LC would get slaughtered by "3 of the biggest teams in SS". That is assuming you were organized and you all attacked at the same time.

Also I'm pretty sure nobody said anything about removing the option for surprise attacks, but having a non-suicidal option for a direct confrontation would add a lot more depth and strategy to PvB and BvB game in my opinion.

Actually, your suggestion, whether you realize it or not, are just strongly pro-swarm and pro-alliance. Aliances can use multiple assault kits on a single team. As you said with the TW/RE/DM vs LC sitatuion, if they all planted oen base at about the same time, there is zero chance of fending it off. Wouldn't that be an exploit built into the system?

Honestly, this is just a bad idea, but do whatever you want, I'll just be sure to abuse it in every way possible..

Apparently you don't understand the point of this discussion thread. People are just throwing ideas around and nothing is said to be concrete. The point is that the problem is thought through with the entire (forum active) playerbase looking for problems in the solutions proposed here so we can come up with something that will hold up and still be fun.

Me and sodomy have already said quit a few dozen post in the suggestions topic. I personally cant be bothered to retype it all.

I think that amongst the majority of the playerbase the consensus has been reached within Aurora's Discussion thread in Suggestions.

and most agree that 5 Base slots for the attacking (warring and connected) team is the First and best step towards a better BvB system.

I don't know, I guess it depends on whether you think it is an exploit that 3x beats 1x. I personally think that if one team has pissed of several other teams of similar size and strength, and they have failed to make allies of their own who are willing to help defend them, they should suffer the consequences. It obviously wouldn't be a free ride for the attackers, with sufficient warning an appropriate defense can be organized and good defenses will still greatly aid a smaller number of defenders to "hold the line" against an assault from a larger force. They only need to defend for a limited time, and unless all 3 enemy teams bordered one galaxy (unlikely) they wouldn't need to defend from multiple assault drones in the same galaxy.

I think most players can agree that even modestly defended galaxies are all but invulnerable to PvB combat right now. Personally I don't think that is a good thing, and it would be healthy for SS to open up new strategies for players to experiment with. Your opinion may differ and that is why we are discussing it here and I am not unilaterally implementing some random ideas I had.

One possible exploit i can see is making multiple teams to lay more assault kits. A possible fix is to make it take a certain team score in order to lay an assault kit. Nothing major, just enough that it takes a little bit of effort to do it.

KK . Team score is a good thing but it should be 280 points at least . For top teams age+loyalty+wealth is easy points to get .

Tbh it is good that a team like LC can live so long against 3 top10 teams that means that not everything in game is based on how much money you have , but ofc now that we border them it is time for them to die .

Im still sure that best solution is combination of suggestions allready made .
One set of hard codded rules for EF space , one set for wild space ( everything goes around ownership , automatic aggressive after 2mins - those 2 points will eliminate 90% of possible exploits while keeping bvb as we have it ) .
WildSPace rules - 3 to 5 bases for BORDERING team is perfect first step solution . Point based system included . That will reduce the possibility of exploit to the minimum and to those few situation where it can be exploited you need to BAN the ppl CHEATING cos lets face it whatever system you put in you will not be able to keep bout imagination/reality and Fairplay . If you put to many hard codded rules you will any kind of imagination/reality feel out of bvb (what is war without surprise ? just hard work and God mood for the strongest )
EarthForce space rules - keep it as it is but limit the number of bases under t16 that can be deployed/gal- just few(3max) is more then enaugh for CA boosters or EE . With this we get to keep lot lvl kits for building in owned space , deploying kits for gal ownership on uni start etc ...

Oh, I hadn't though of making extra slots be determined by bordering owned galaxies. That's a great idea. Then if you want to make a fake team, you'll have to at least make a HQ and own the galaxy, which leaves you open to counterattacks and the 24 hour waiting time.

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I love the idea that you get 2 slots per bordering galaxy. It adds a very strategic element to things, reminiscent of World War 1. Is there a salient that needs to be reduced? =)

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I think I'm happy with this, need to break down the wall fo text a bit more, though.

Just check LNs old topics and you will see he got more then enough reason to get drunk and angry ofc if he was drunk . LN just shows up on forum and posts when DM gets cheated , so he is regularly here .

The slot add is getting added this uni correct? Please dont make this 4-8 months down the road correction to the way the owning and BvB system was intended to work. The ideas with the assult drone is cool but that should be something that is tested intensly. I think there should be two types of those drones that you should add. One should be for galaxies that border your territory and would be a stronger version of one that is not as strong for attacking teams that you are at war with but not connected to. The one that is for non adjacent galaxies should only be able to be dropped on borders of the defending team, this will be better for the game because it will require teams to build stronger borders which will use more base slots and free up more buildable wild space.

I think that simply adding the ability for an enemy team to build bases where they could not at the moment is too big a change to make during a uni without other balancing efforts.

Being able to build more than 10K out and move an attacking base in and out remains too powerful a benefit for attackers.

BvB assaults typically go in favor of the attacker if they are reasonably well planned, potentially costing the defender the entire contents of their galaxy. The cost to the attacker for losing is a pile of GG and a couple of kits. Expensive kits probably, but not a galaxy full of them.

This will be a further limit to the number of legitimate bases a player can deploy, and it's on top of the horrible account slots limitation you've already imposed. I already have to use T6 bases for colony boosters and some of my EE bases just to make the station slots stretch, and I know I'm far from the only one in the game who does this. Is there any way you could be moved to increase those account slots a bit to make up for the extra slots we will be using just to deploy a booster or simple EE base?

The other rules you've discussed will already eliminate the actual problem of filling a gal with T0 bases. Doing so will no longer have any utility whatsoever in a battle. Please don't take this opportunity to gratuitously eliminate even more building potential per account than you already have done in the past.

I think Jeffs solution is perfect fix for the problem atm , drone and other ideas can be worked and introduce when they are ready . We need a solution for bvb now .
Being able to deploy 12 instead of 15 colony boosters is worth being able to make proper bvb IMO