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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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While fairly balanced for low levels, at high levels, beam-type weapons are underpowered compared to pulse-type weapons, because high level players miss a lot.


I assume you meant that high level players don't miss a lot.

At the moment though, there's no incentive for players to use any type of laser weapon except for Mad Thorax, since its DPS, DPE, and size are all optimal and any potential target can be immobilized by a few tractor ships. If you want beam-type lasers to see use, it's going to come down to new content creation that discourages the use of thorax weapons, while encouraging laser-type damage.

I agree that the current diffuser system is unbalanced. Why should energy and laser damage be so easy to protect from? However, it will be a nightmare to rebalance matters the way you suggest, even if you do come out with higher-tech versions of Reactive and Volatile diffusers that function roughly like the current ones do. At any rate, I would recommend that you not worry about the PvP aspect of lasers, since there are plenty of alternatives and most ships have good laser resistance anyway.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Sorry, typo. Should have been "high players *don't miss a lot".

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
lol

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Well, one thing you have to keep in mind is that lasers just aren't as much fun as other types of weaponry. Having a limited but significant amount of challenge inherent in hitting your target is a big part of making it fun...as a gunner, i know this better than most classes :P

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Yes, that's why things generally have better resists to lasers and lasers do inherently less damage.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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As I said in the first point, the base power of lasers is 25, mag 24, and pulse 45. While I think this is balanced pretty well for low level, I think lasers should perhaps gain more power/tech so that they can start to catch up with pulse guns in the end game. Perhaps I should give them an additional 0.5 power / tech level, so that by tech 20, laser will be 35 to the pulses 45.

Note: this will probably beef AI more than players for now, since AI use lasers a lot more, but would probably make for a better balance.

im all for stronger lasers


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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Just from looking at the title. These lasers can't even turn bread into toast because there so bad!

Nerf down the hit rate modifier that makes them so crappy in your balance sheets for the higher techs please!

Only real laser I consider to use is a the medium laser at lower levels and perhaps the Mad Thorax (which I know it isn't a laser really).

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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Just from looking at the title. These lasers can't even turn bread into toast because there so bad!

Nerf down the hit rate modifier that makes them so crappy in your balance sheets for the higher techs please!

Only real laser I consider to use is a the medium laser at lower levels and perhaps the Mad Thorax (which I know it isn't a laser really).



its true..about the only laser weapon i consider worth my time using is that mad thorax.. about the only laser weapon with any sort of damage to it. i can diffuse laser so easily and it doesn't do a whole lot against ships anyhow.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Imo, lasers (and energy) should be taken out, with the current weapons changed to different damage types, and the crits worked around so that you need a seer for most of your critting/disabling/gremming needs.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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Imo, lasers (and energy) should be taken out, with the current weapons changed to different damage types, and the crits worked around so that you need a seer for most of your critting/disabling/gremming needs.

I'd very much DOUBT energy is getting removed.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Meh, but the idea is to keep damage types/resists as simple as possible.

You keep telling me to apply KISS...

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Yeah, I would kind of like to get rid of the laser damage type, too, since it doesn't really make any sense. It's a delivery method, not really a damage type. I feel like at this point a major revamp on damage types wouldn't be the best use of time, though.

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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Yeah, I would kind of like to get rid of the laser damage type, too, since it doesn't really make any sense. It's a delivery method, not really a damage type. I feel like at this point a major revamp on damage types wouldn't be the best use of time, though.

revamp would be nice in C2. i never really cared for C2, nor its promises, i only care about you guys getting it done so you can stop saying Soon*TM and either do it or not.
note, im not bitching, just stating my eagerness for aforementioned project to finish.


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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
Actually when you think about it, LASER is Heat ...

because basically any high power laser in real life generates Heat..

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Post Re: How terrible are lasers?
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Actually when you think about it, LASER is Heat ...

because basically any high power laser in real life generates Heat..


that's on earth, this game is in space also SS isn't realistic.

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