Please see: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40309

Drones have received a lot of changes, including temporary diffusers that notify you if they get destroyed - hopefully this will help DMs.

Are there any plans to add missiles with varying stats and effects/damage types for different situations?

If so I and a few others have discussed it in depth in the past.

I'd be happy to offer my suggestions on How to work the different damage types and the differences that there should be between them. (were well received in the past)

On the ammo issue: both engineers and fleet commanders use destructible though reusable items as a large part of their dps, so i dont know how valid a point it is to give that as a concession to gunner's limitations compared to other classes.

Also, increasing the number of types of missiles we can use runs us into the problem of the staggering amount of hull they could take up. six different types of missiles at 50 per crate, 3 space per missile... thats 900 space, which i doubt many gunners have (unless you want us augging dreads sup resist caly ) just keep that in mind.

I notice you haven't addressed the issue of the limited number of missles we can fire, yet one comment in particular seems to indicate some missiles will take time out of ship to activate... so not only are we stuck with just 2/3 missiles but we have to keep them alive for 5 seconds out of ship before they do anything?

Finally: i think DPH -> damage per hit in this context... cheers.

Will missile speed be increased?

easy fix for the commod problem: give gunners missile generators and give DMs drone gg!!

I am re-classing when this happens and or quitting.

There have been topics on this so it's pretty much a modified rehash... But missile speeds and the max missiles in space needs tweaking. And as people have already said... The logistics needs to be taken into account. That's a LOT of space required for missiles and I don't need to tell you it's not feasable to split ammo space over all the types. Before this stuff goes live it needs to be carefully thought through from as many angles as possible.

Are there going to be missiles with different damage types added? To me one problem with gunner is the extreme focus on mining damage. I would like to see at least energy and heat missiles or class locked weapons of those types at least. If different damage types are added i wouldn't mind if they were lower damage then the 5k large ap type 3. Energy so i feel useful in copper and heat for iq bana.

If the admins don't want to add these can we have the ais needed to get the large ap type 3 bp changed from the levle 1400 iq bana ais currently?


Missile speeds need to be increased i think, or an item that instantly destroys all missiles currently deployed.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the objection, but if you are saying that you won't have space for missiles of every damage type, then I don't have much sympathy. My DS only have two weapons slots to begin with, and I rarely pack more than one weapon anyway out of space considerations.

Your the last person who should comment on this thread Aniliv. We are taking space nessisary to maintain effective dps. SD achieves this, gunner will not. Why? Because these changes still don't do a damn thing about the two biggest problems. First being the speed of the missiles, second is either launching them fast enough or being able to launch a sufficiant number to be effective. Both really boil down to lack of any real DPS from missiles in a real fight where the enemy stays at some kind of range and happens to kill all the missiles aimed at it wile beating the shit out of the gunner. Missiles are just ineffectual at range. No battle class I know of has difficulty killing them or preventing them from hitting a target.

I would please remind people to read carefully.




Current ideas:

1a) PvE missiles will be almost exclusively -effect. This includes high speed (and I mean high speed - I'm playing with nimble 650 speed ones atm for T20) +vis "tagging" missiles and -speed -thrust "goo" missiles. Once you have debuffed a target, then you can focus on damaging them. SDs will no longer be totally -vis and only vulnerable to seers anymore. Note: non-Gunners can use these missiles, just with less duration / effect.

1b) There will be a sub-set of extremely damaging but slow missiles. If you can get one to hit a target, then expect fireworks.

2) I'm looking at specialised "casings" builds. i.e. You build a <type> of missile with a <casing> that gives % resist. This will prevent AI / Players from just picking all missiles off with the same weapons.

3) Space constraints: Drones / Fighters you get back, unless you're unlucky. Looking at the weight / space of launchers & missiles, coupled with hard-caps, I think we can work a bit on this.

3a) Possible Capital expanders, for FCs / Gunners.
3b) Weight on missiles reduced significantly (currently 3k / missile)
3c) Potential to slightly decrease size / missile, and given hard-caps on hulls, launchers can be made slightly smaller (perhaps)

4) Flares / Decoys - two subsets.

4a) Low speed, high (for a missile) bank decoy that adds large amounts of ++hostility and draws fire
4b) MIRV / Chaff / Flare firer - missile that launches X*Tech level flares / chaff that are basically 1 shot attractants for fire

These will both have to have slower launch times / large energy constraints to prevent people spamming them like pest drones for ubers

5) Specialist missiles - MIRVs, Capital Broadsides (aka, launch x10 missiles at once, lose ability to fire again for X seconds) and so on... working on, discussing, seeing what works.


Again. This is a process. Please read carefully what has been written (and in the other thread, linked at start), and forget the histrionics such as "OMG I'm gonna be NERFED" and "I QUIT"; the better the feedback, the better the end result will be.


Thank you.



In other news, Jey informed me that we can easily set the minimum and maximum distances for missiles to be able to be launched. This was a major problem with coding different missile types... turns out, we can do it already. Work speeded up 50%!

It looks good and will make that class more intresting. Not just spamming a hotkey all day day killing everything in sight. The casings and flars sound cool. I've never been a gunner so i can't tell you much more than that.

Sounds good to me, make the class a little more interactive and require some strategy.