All of the cloaking numbers are a little less than they were before. On the other hand, sunlight is doubly cloaked, so you may be slightly more detectable in galaxies without a bright sun, but you will be significantly less visible in galaxies with a bright sun.

that totally makes sense... being less visible in a galaxy with a sun than in a galaxy without one

...so you may be slightly more detectable in galaxies without a bright sun [than you currently are], but you will be significantly less visible in galaxies with a bright sun [than you currently are].

Can't test really on test - far too laggy (not framerate wise) for me (I don't know why; live works fine).

It's good that I can now move more safely closer to suns - can't test in my favouite DGs as mentioned above to compare yet so.

T20 bana cloak - UrQa KoQuii Qa - finally I can sacrifice it as commod to my alt for cloaking 20 as I can switch to the Unholy Darkness, now it fits finally its tech.

Shrouding Channeler will definitely loose his "Prime Diva" being for Seers; It fits now much better its tech, two things for that:
- Seers should get a high tech version of it
- It should be much smaller in size, especially if you compare it to the T10 bana cloak

Titan(+) cloaks ... I wonder what you did to the Bule Obs. cloaks; I hope you balanced them against each other.

Engine vis - YES! - good work on that; I can now use more advanced tactics on approaching now, which makes the life as Seer more fun.

I need to test all that in DGs ofc to really say something about it ... for sure its getting interesting.

Thanks Jeff!

that makes..no sense..."its dark in here, so by comparison or something you are more visible!" eh? wtf?

Due to current replies i assume this means the inbuilt cloak for the juju will not be updated? IF not please do one thing for it, make it unequipable. have it unable to be removed from the ship itself but have it so we Snipers can use another cloak. atm i cannot hide from ANYTHING in the Juju unless i sacrifice yet another aug to stealth. i tried some MF reavers and they easily saw me from 200 away when usually it's only 20 away an increase of ten times.

This of course, is nice.

But are the cloaks still going to be balanced properly?

The main issues here were not dealt with at all, you nerf the stealth classes (sniper and seer) when they should be getting a beef to their specialised radars if anything as they are underpowered since the rebalance...still... Yet on the other hand you leave SD's perfectly capable of being as low vis as snipers. I actually tested this update and i think it needs work before you put it in.

Side note: we're considering making built-in items usable even if you don't have the tech requirement for them. So the lvl 16 cloak that is built in will be usable even if you don't have lvl 16 cloaking, that way we can still balance it using the balance sheets but not make it so people can no longer use their ship. Is there any instance where this would not be good? (Reavers come to mind?)

That would be awesome...i did not get cloaking beyond 10 on my sniper for the simple fact that with the juju, it would be a waste of SP. I read this and was like "WtF?".

Primal Panther Darkness has increased in size by a third, from 30 hull to 40 hull. I know its only 10 hull space on paper but its still quite a large increase given its for a light fighter and the fact most panther gear is small. Was this intentional?

from my test, stealth classes where about the same (ones that use stealth augs) stealthy SDs and classes that used stealth without augs now are very much not stealth. One of the issues i see is there are things that have 100 vis, which is absolutely unusable on any stealth setup, but then you go and have 1000, which is pointless really as 100 would be enough to make it unusable. There is very little gear that is actually "stealth" and everything else is so ridiculously high vis it has no application anywhere in vis.

I would like a see a compression of all the vis stats on items so that there is more a gradual jump up to visible items. so you can choose for more performance without sacrificing all your stealth when you decide you don't want to use a basil sheath but would like to use an undeadstop. I find it odd that at 20 vis (which is low for shields) undeadstop is essentially unusable in stealth and only 0 vis gear will actually do me any good.

hmm dunno if that all made sense there, but i tried. As far as cloaks go, anything that relied on a cloak to be stealthy before (SDs) is not stealth at all, and only people augged and classed for stealth are stealthy.

The idea of visibility cloaking is good and all but this comes off as another attempted nerf to non-stealth class' that ends up screwing over the actual stealth class'.

since u r trying 2 fix cloaks why not fix radars while ur at it ^^