the point wasnt that scientific research is bad

the point was, that trolls like to make people afraid of things that they shouldnt be afraid of.

The political merchandisers appeal only to the weak­nesses of voters, never to their potential strength. They make no attempt to educate the masses into becoming fit for self-government; they are content merely to manipulate and exploit them. For this pur­pose all the resources of psychology and the social sciences are mobilized and set to work. Carefully se­lected samples of the electorate are given "interviews in depth." These interviews in depth reveal the uncon­scious fears and wishes most prevalent in a given so­ciety at the time of an election. Phrases and images aimed at allaying or, if necessary, enhancing these fears, at satisfying these wishes, at least symbolically, are then chosen by the experts, tried out on readers and audiences, changed or improved in the light of the information thus obtained. After which the political campaign is ready for the mass communicators. All that is now needed is money and a candidate who can be coached to look "sincere." Under the new dispen­sation, political principles and plans for specific action have come to lose most of their importance. The person­ality of the candidate and the way he is projected by the advertising experts are the things that really mat­ter.

the media ignores ron paul because the owners of the companies dont control him.

the majority of this post is from http://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited

Heh, I was going to say something about how this didn't sound like your writing style, then I saw your disclaimer at the bottom. Anyhow, it's pretty much true. What you are describing is a "focus group" and it's a very effective way for everyone from advertisers to politicians to see how their message affects an audience. When the dreaded FOX News hosts a political debate they even televise a focus group run by their own expert on the subject working with a room full of people from targeted demographics to gauge their reactions to certain topics and even particular words and phrases. This is all televised with commentary so the audience can learn how they are being catered to (or manipulated, even).

I especially like the part about "educating the masses to be fit for self-governance". You see, it's up to the masses to make ourselves fit for self-governance. When enough of us fail to do that, the inevitable result is a group of people who will take care of the governing for us and feed us a ration of crap from a focus group to keep us happy / distracted (like we have now). This is why pushing for more and more government control of our lives is a bad idea. A generation that relies on the government for income, food, housing, medical care, education, and every other need in Maslow's hierarchy will NOT have the ability to govern itself, and it won't be able to teach the next generation to do so either. Make no mistake, elite politicians have absolutely NO motivation to "educate the masses to be fit for self-governance." It is in their best interest to let us rely on them for everything.


I think they largely ignore him because it's too hard to make him fit into any of the ready-made templates they have for stories. He also scares the establishment politicians, especially the republican ones, because both parties have the issues fairly well divided up between them, and they don't need a new point of view upsetting their balance. I really don't think we'll see Ron Paul do much other than keep inspiring what is now a young crowd. If that young crowd can find a new leader as they get a bit older, we could really see some serious reform of government, if it's not too late by then.

+1

Ok, then. Let's start a petition and nominate Jeff_L. He is a recovering politician after all.

Billed as the Free Market candidate, dedicated to less regulation in trade and the elimination of the purple munchkin menace?

Not to mention the fact that in his day he was the bane of Socialist Forgone Conclusions.

if you still arent convinced, then nothing i can say will change your mind

i just hope you can see that the only reason the greediest bastards on earth would avoid doing something which would make them money, is to protect their power over the masses.

its either that, or they suddenly decided to be altruistic and "allow" other news stations to capitalise on ron paul's support

you and i both know how absurd that sounds. the most logical explanation is almost always the correct one.

or i could phrase it like this, the reason ron paul is being ignored is because he is that "new leader" we've been waiting for. the media knows it, why dont we? maybe because we just dont beleive? maybe that lack of beleif that change can come, is what prevents change in the first place?

the media has created a prison for our minds, which we call apathy. you can either break out when you have the chance (now) or sit there and rot. your choice. not mine. i live in australia


you could also notice the fact that ron paul supports everything FOX journalists SAY that they support. they literally have no reason to not talk about him, he will bring the things they claim they want

are they just retarded? or do they not want the people to be free? do they just claim to support freedom, to hide the fact that they're the biggest obstacle to it?

alone, these facts would be meaningless, but they are together, all in one place. they are all saying the same thing. ron paul is being kept down by those in power because he genuinely wants the things they claim to want.

ron paul is capable of stealing their entire support base, simply by GIVING what is promised, and that scares the absolute shit out of them.

lol. You didn't need to convince me. I was agreeing with you. I was just putting a slightly different spin on it.

On the other hand, politically motivated news media isn't exactly new. Since the time the first printing presses were built, their purpose was to spread political propaganda (or religious propaganda that was political in effect). Benjamin Franklin was famous for setting up a printing press and using his paper to print political editorials under a pseudonym. Just don't reserve all of your scorn for FOX News. Sure, they lean to the right. The reason that's so noticeable is because all of the other networks and cable news companies lean to the left. As long as you understand that when you're watching CNN or NBC you're watching news with a lefty spin on it, you'll be fine. The same goes for FOX's righty spin. I get most of my news from Yahoo!, which has a VERY leftward spin most of the time. When I watch cable news, I go between CNN and FOX. I do have to admit though, if Megan Kelly is on FOX at the time I'm watching, then I definitely go there. I don't care what she's talking about. I just like watching her talk about it.

well, fox is owned by the same people that own the left leaning news stations.

what seems like two sides is actually one.

the "retardisation" of the libertarian/conservative viewpoints is the main peice in the control mechanism of american society.

every single person going against conservative views because fox is retarded, is playing into the scheme.

the owners of the media companies are causing conflict where there is none, they are dividing the nation on issues which arent valid reasons to be divided

this division significantly weakens the county and gives the media an extreme level of control

self rationality is not enough. these news "empires" must be destroyed, and laws that harshly punish selective reporting need to be legislated.

the media cannot be allowed to control people by "twisting" the information

this is a criminal conspiracy subverting true democracy. a dictatorship of the mind. unless the media empires die, the people will NEVER be free. surely you can see that.

You just admitted you are trying to make people fear that which we shouldn't fear. Following
that same line of reasoning then cruise missiles and drones are a good thing.
Republicans are good.
Fox News is good.
By your own words, that which you say should be feared is harmless. Or at worst, benign.

Can we then assume that the reverse is also true?
ie: According to you Obama is good. That then should make him bad. Right?

Regards,
toony

p.s. I bet Landswimmer just said ""SHIT, I'd hoped he was dead.
Or something similar.

p.p.s.
That's old news. That bird flu info was discussed 4-5 months ago iirc.
Yer Slacking DB. Getting slow.

who the fuck asked you?

lillith, go home.

yes, it is that obvious.

I laugh so hard at the exchanges between Toony and DB that my life span is increase a day for every back and forth post I read. Please continue, I almost have an extra life.

I just liked that toony seemed to pop out of no where just to troll the resident troll. Gotta keep DB on his toes, I guess. Anywho, continue.

careful, those "extra days" come with a 3 day respawn delay