Sounds like this is a thread born out of the fact that someone is finding it hard to get on an oly squad more than anything.

May I ask what is wrong about gunners using missiles as their main DPS? Or spamming missiles? It's what makes gunner so overpowered imo which is why I'm wondering why people want it to be beefed. When I play gunner, I swoop in, sit in front of the AI like at the minimum firing distance and use my missiles as both DPS AND as a shield. Theyre usually dead within a second orso, and I am without a scratch.

I've levelled up 4 chars alone on my account as gunner to level 1.5k and beyond (read: level 2k+ on one) very easily, and retain a char as gunner with a HF Zebra setup that spams missiles, so I feel I can also speak with some experience. Sure, I don't really go doing ubers in a squad with it, mainly because I have a zerker and a shm that are usually in higher demand. I do have a dread and some EFBC slaves that are well geared for if I ever did decide to do some ubers where I needed to be more tanky.

Anyway, gunner is brilliant for soloing several ubers, running around and doing DG's and PvPing certain classes. And lets not forget how important gunners are in PvB thanks to their mining DPS.

I think if anything, some more missiles of various damage types would be best, like what has been suggested in this thread already, and maybe a vulnerability aura would go some way to appeasing capship gunners who want auras and stuff.

Idk if this has been covered (can't be stuffed reading 6 pages) but why not allow for Gunner ____ augs to include missile damage?

I don't think that the stat could just be tacked onto gunner mastery augs however. The aug stats would all have to be rebalanced. I more rather see new augs like the drone ops augs that are based around missile stats but have others as well.

My take on Gunner, after interviewing shawn_mccall, Masterful, and Laptop Boy.

^ This is perfect.

Churchy that is the most amazing thing I've ever heard.
/veryverysigned

The reason gunners don't get on Oly squads is because people think gunners are useless. In order for gunners to do well in Olympus, you need 2 or 3 gunners, an engi or two for elec and the rest ShMs. Then the gunners just kite the boss out. Personally I want to try it.

I heard a gunner can solo one of the Olympus gods... but that is just a rumour...

As much as i dislike Gunner Capships, missile spamming is not OPed.

1. Pvai :Requires you to get close to said target. At this range, it may be that a gunner can "Solo" an oly uber as DPS with an appropriate supporting squad, i don't know. However, Zerkers and Snipers can also "Solo" oly ubers.

2.It may also be that Capship Gunners have it easy with levelling due to missiles. Each class has its advantages. If you want to be a gunner, you will rarely be pulled along to any uber run. Neither will you be a god in pvp.

3. Pvp: The person moves at 40 speed, your missile spamming tactic at close range is now foiled by the fact the opposition has an engine.

Every class is capable of dpsing and soloing DGs. Take away missile spam, there goes the Capship Gunner DPS and it will be reduced into a hunk of junk.
However, im all for limiting such spammage if it means gaining increased abilities/gear for the class.

Hey admins, can we get what Church said put ingame?

You left out PvB.

Another idea I just had was base missiles. Have an item at Ordnance Command. When this item is equipped on a gunner owned base, any missiles that base fires at another base do 400% damage and hit through resists.

I left out pvb because of two simple facts.

1. If the base is moving, this makes it exponentially harder to missile spam due to the existence of gremming weapons.

2. Do you really want to get in the way of primal furys?

They should, but they don't. Zerk can both tank and outdps any class. Sniper can provide near the Zerk's dps, has stealth and range. Then there's Gunner, who can barely tank, has lower range than a Sniper, conditional dps, nowhere close the dps of a Sniper or Zerk, a huge ship image size, poor agility, and little alternatives for suitable ships.