protip: remove the elec scoop and get a grinch scoop**/***

I wouldn't say this is a good guide. It's a 'this is my build this is what i do with it'

You could structure your paragraphs more and put bullet point advice for pvping against different classes. You should consider PvAI for Seer too

3 AoS is a waste on the attempt at stealth. The reason why good seers don't use it is:

1. In a panther, the difference between 2 aos and 3 aos is nothing as any T20+ seer can see both just as easily.
2. The survivability of that setup doesn't compensate for the extra damage. Ath+/ConC and Ath+/CaP can survive most snipers when a PSS/ZHT shot actually hits you.
3. Any Crit Percent above 100% is still 100%. Therefore, while it can always crit no matter how visible, the effort spent trying to up the % is worthless. You get 80% from 2 aos, and 60% more while invisible.

While it is in the guide section, it is just what Neba used, as many people died to him and wondered what he used. Good, meh, and wow. Not constructive comment? GTFO.

lol.

its alll about the minor stealth augs with a minor dmg aug. dumbass.

that is a terrible setup it doesn't even affect your docking speed

Lol. The reason why many seers don't use it is mostly an availability issue.

That too, but also a waste of stealth. I personally would Never use 3, if I had 3. I know full well even a nooby seer DS will spot me due to the reflectivity issue.

Having a second aug for survival or utility may not get the extreme damage, but it does allow one to survive longer. Klestiko showed his enemies that even if he does nothing in a galaxy, his presence is enough for people to freak out and panic. And surviving attempts to kill you infuriates the enemy, which provides better chances of wiping them out if they start to make mistakes.

(Razgriz on Tryn literally had all 5 blues chasing him around the map while we pushed down all their towers and inhibitors. Thats what presence does and how it would really piss off the enemy group.)

Now, in a team operation, IF I ever find out or hear that there is a seer in the area or logged on, I back my panther out and get my anti-seer DS. Even if a DS(enemy) seer have issues with killing other classes, being unable to use your own seer is a good invitation for a stealth ambush from snipers or engineers.

Since when did seer DS become mainstream? You're talking like seer vs seer is the only way seers fight.

3 AoS setups have 100% crit chance and epic crit damage aswell. With that seers aren't limited to high damage weaponry and can use RoPs, MTs, you name it. It also gives opportunity to use OS6 and a RoF aug for more DPS. With a cost of stealth yes. 3 AoS has enough stealth for most matchups.

3 AoS is 120% crit chance, +10% from their OL, and +60% from their skills. Anything above 100% is a waste. Even if you DID attack from the light in a 500k vis gal, your stealth defense, the defense that keeps 90% of snipers from killing you, is gone. Also, say hello to any other class murdering you right then and there.

DS is a cheap, easy to use platform that excels at stealth operations. Namely, avoiding other seers. If the enemy seer cannot find you, and you aug your DS for fighting seers, some things happen:

1. The enemy loses 60% chance to crit.
2. The enemy loses the ambush crit damage bonus.
3. The enemy is always going to get ambushed.

Along with the fact that a single PPGT will cause you to one shot nearly every seer in game. T21's, you'll have trouble with, but hey, they're T21s. AWC and AgH ships.

The DS is wonderful for fledgling seers to test the waters, as well as mid grade to ubers for bashing stupid panther seers. This ship gives 150b Panther Seers trouble on setups 1/15 their cost, forcing players to react to its presence.

With my DS, I carry a few things most people don't carry, don't use stuff most people rely on, and have been in enough scrapes to know exactly what works for my DS and what doesn't. That gives me a slight edge to balance out the weakened damage ability.

Also, 95% of panther seers don't know how to fight a DS seer. It's like when stealth SD was fight made. Noone knew how to really counter it. The problem is, that my DS has been with me for years. And people STILL can't kill it.

I liked the part where you were wrong.

Not really. The "things" that I found to be "wrong" was trying to use my PWI mid combat. So I stopped using it altogether. Kinda surprising, seeing how Witch's Broomstick slipped past Legion's(before PD merge) "best" SD's and Seers. They went 2.5k from my position. I went 500, then turned around and left the area.

Came back and killed Goett's Lion after the SD's went home.

My teammates keep insisting that the PWI is better for slipping past SD's. None of them are seer mains, though.


Or was the "wrong" part the thing on Beelze's signature?