How many people actually use the Missile and Launcher as major parts of their setup? How many people would have gladly gave the Launcher and Missile up for more hull?

And that is the suggestion: remove the generator and the launcher for more hull.

While at it, also remove the inbuilt scoops on Vulture and Hawks.

i like the inbuilt hawk scoop it's just annoying when it stops working

Why not just make them worth using, instead?

Moded scoops is a gift from above tho. Not having the ability to use a moded scoop cripple most setups quite a bit.

There's a reason why certain ships have inbuilt items. e.g. Assault Behemoth, scoop can't use drones. Assault Behemoth+, can pick up drones.



i.e. These hulls are balanced around not being able to use a different scoop, ditch that launcher and so on. Don't like it? Don't use the ship.

For what the ship cost, the hawk inbuilt was rather a letdown compared to what it could be.

It's the entry level T20 Light Fighter, yet new SD's use the DS more as their entry level LF.

See the problem?

You're the dev. If the Vulture is going to keep its inbuilts, why can't there be a Buzzard, that is a Vulture but has no inbuilts and increased hull. I can assure you if they were both the same buildcost, the Vulture will be ditched, by everyone.

Not just SD's.

Think a bit more, perhaps?

Hmm. I'll look into that ~ you might have had a bum deal (ask all the assault behemoth owners) but then again... you might just be whinging

I'll take your word as positive for now!



Fairly sure that the entry T20's are Equans, Astros, DTs. Then 1.5 with Rosmaries.... and so on.


Point is simple: players skip to DS / Panther because the market is saturated and full of trillions of cash, not because the ship is particularly bad. Costs 2 bilish to build, and the BP + corpse isn't uncommon - and worse still, doesn't even require a boss mob kill / drop (even a T1 boss mob).

For that lack of effort, I think it is balanced fine.




Last chance, my old bean. Ditch the chip on your shoulder, because us adults aren't impressed. We do think, and we actually give a lot of care to the player-base, because we happen to love the game... And because we love the game, we want you, the subscribers, to be happy. I'm the dev. who added in a whole load of Capacitors that added +dampening effects against knock-back, remember? You know, the ones everyone uses in Oly now? I did that because paying customers stated good reasons for their use*. And so, I spent a couple of days putting it in. The pleasure I get is that people use them, not anything else.

We don't give our time because we're employed by EA & Bioware to stop you all unsubscribing before the end of the month.

So wise up, and get some perspective. It'll make you a happier person. I'm not here to spar with, I'm here to make your game better. I'll tell you when stuff can be done, and I'll tell you when the stuff you imagine can't be.

Sounds fair to me.





*I seem to remember it being Trevor & Bonecrusher who demanded it. I hope they still play.

This quote.

Yes. And the Absconditus / Absentis are well known for their "entry level" balance.


You've had your chance: have fun with the chip, I'm kinda done responding to you. Sorry.

They do, though Bone quite for a length. Don't know as he has actually built a dampener since he got back though, ironically.

On topic: vulture is definitely the entry level LF, as izer and rosy are to HF and astro is to Freighter. (roughly identical build cost) Following that comparison, the gap between it and the next best thing (DS or panther) is quite a bit wider than the gap between the izer/rosy and the next best HF (zebra). I can't imagine any SD with a brain between their ears actually using a vulture over an izer. which seems just wrong.

I might also note the disparity between the Lion->PW or EFDN/PBF->ZT gaps compared to the Rhino/AB+ -> HM, but we won't get into that now.

Allow me to fix:

Lion->HM