But it's shit for FCs, too. I'd never even consider taking it over my carrier, and the throne is quite a bit more expensive to make.

I don't think it was ever intended as a real ship for FC's. Maybe a fun ship, but not a real FC ship. The problem still lies in the fact IT IS FUCKING EXPENSIVE.

But, if you think of it, if gunner was given an extra 100% damage in its class skills, debuff generators, kinetic missiles, removed most if not all the shield/energy bonuses from throne, and gave it a third aug slot, like how Bobbo and I kinda concluded with, the Throne would make a pretty nasty Gunner ship.

Not saying that'd be the way it's be, but the Throne seems to be moving in that direction.

If you make it decent for gunner it will work just fine for FC. And it was given fighters for FC. There was even a change done that made the FC skills apply to the fighters so they obviously don't mean to exclude FCs from making good use of it either.

There is nothing purely gunner specific about the ship. If just the 3rd aug slot that is sorely needed is added it should be just under the HM in power according to the mighty blue dwarf's calculations and better justify it's cost. That should put it closer to the other Oly ships on the balance sheet too.

Then you just open up a can of whammy on Gunner to make it a more usable class and It has a decent ship waiting for it to use. You cant balance a class just off the zeus throne (the only reason I have been able to come up with to explain the need to wait to tweak the ZT) If you did balance it off that ship it would suck using anything else and it will have to be rebalanced again later if any gear over T21 is added to game.

Can we get an ETA on gunner fixes or an idea of what sort of idea (if any) has been decided upon as a change or beef to gunner?

We've been assured by the dev team that the ZT is not getting a 3rd aug slot.

So you mean their not going to first break the ship used by the class that needs reworking, nerf it a bit, then beef the class immensely, and then nerf that a bit, like the Absentis/Sniper?

They have? I didn't see that, could you drop a link?

A 3rd aug slot was easily the best fix for the ship with it's current stats. Would not be even close to broken considering we have t21 ships roaming with 4.

I'm not going to dig up a link at the moment. I guess it's always possible that they'll reconsider, but it was clearly stated by a content dev on the forum that a 3rd aug was out of the question. I can't say I disagree with that, to be honest.

I remember goldy saying a 3rd aug slot would bring the ZT up to being slightly less powerful than an HM, but the ZT+ would be slightly more powerful than an HM+, which seems a fair trade off imo. I know names don't mean anything to you calcutron, but surely ZEUS Throne should be the best (if only by a little) and most expensive ship.

I'm not too thrilled about the prospect of *anything* being as broken as the HM(+), to be honest. How about some more judiciously chosen inbuilts on the ZT instead of the freedom of a whole new aug slot?

I have an idea for a ZT SSS that would really bring it inline with other ships.

Zeus Throne Augmenter Slot: Adds an augmenter slot to the Zeus throne. This item deletes itself after 1 use.

While a ZT+ may beat a HM+ in sheer stats, think about the classes that will use it, and that actually looks a lot more balanced.