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Team: Contingency
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Post Re: Gunners ~ Come GET SOME!
My PBF is proof that weapons are not fail, although I do think that they could use some buff.

I managed to kill Camsy's Dread from 2.5k out without him even knowing who was shooting him.

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:48 pm
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What wep/augs did u use? I won't copy the setup but I am rather curious.

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:23 pm
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3 Gunner Masteries, 2 CALC's, OS4.

I'm upgrading to ACAL's and OS6 as soon as I can find a seller. :roll:

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:25 pm
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3 Gunner Masteries, 2 CALC's, OS4.

I'm upgrading to ACAL's and OS6 as soon as I can find a seller. :roll:


...what an odd setup. Don't you find your augs to negatively combine with the PBF's inbuilt stats?

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:38 pm
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No, actually. I solo DF400 and ubers very easily, often while taking less than 50k damage throughout.

I've already killed a few condor bosses as well with it, which I find funny. I can simply dodge their shots.

However, I do find my shields and regen lacking. I just manage 166k shields and 90 regeneration. It by all means is a glass cannon. Staying in place for too long is a sure way to die.

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:55 pm
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Team: Dark Traders
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As I've said multiple times, I think the best solution is to have a ship series thats ok with missiles and ok with guns, but doesn't do well with both(EF capships)

And then make a capship series thats great at guns and sucky at missiles. And one great at missiles and suck at guns. Then fill in the rest with individual ships.

As far as individual ships go, the PBF, the R+, etc should do.


That way, we keep everyone happy with mountains of potential versatility within Gunner, while keeping the general feel of the class intact.


Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:01 pm
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Basically, yeah.


Now if only I could get my hands on a Capital Annihilation Laser Blueprint... :twisted:

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Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:05 pm
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Change the AoG stats from 10% Weapon Hold to 20% Multifire, that'll make it useful and a very interesting aug indeed!

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Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:55 pm
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Patch notes for gunners:

AoG

12.5% Hull
35% Range
7.5% Speed
5% Rec
30% Damage
10% Elec
18% Elec Tempering


~ This is to prevent existing setups becoming non-functional, while still giving it an edge over a Gmast.

Not altering it further!

PBF

Speed: 65
Bank / Energy: 750%


The speed bonuses on the Gmast might be reduced ~ but really, shoving x3 on the PBF is a terrible waste of an opportunity / is actually nerfing yourself: if you want to go pure weapons, there are much better setups out there. The problem, as ever, is balancing a generic class aug to help out the 95% of the gunners using bog standard 2 aug ships with a 3 aug ship.

Reducing the shields / Bank significantly on the PBF was a way to address this, but I do understand that people have pre-existing (terrible) builds.

So ~ consider the Gmast under consideration; but I really don't want to prevent the 95% of the usual users (esp. the under T20/21) of some much-needed aid.


For a comparison, a sniper in an absentis is equally deadly with certain setups.


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As I've said multiple times, I think the best solution is to have a ship series thats ok with missiles and ok with guns, but doesn't do well with both(EF capships).


Many of the missiles are very hard to use if you're a standard tank dread, and the 'big hitting' missiles (bunkerbusters) have an active knockback to scatter / prevent missile spamming. Likewise, burst will hurt the player, lancers need >1.2k to launch and so on.

I also [see earlier complaints in this thread] altered the launch spread of Capital launchers so that they fan across a 75o to 195o arc. This prevents kiting / sitting on top of an enemy.


Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:18 pm
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I'm the only one I know of that uses a PBF with 3 Mast augs.

It's viable to use 3 Mast augs on a Seer, so I don't see why GMast would need a need. I'm still missing stats that are needed such as Elec, Shields, or Regen, so it of course is an outlier.

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Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:19 pm
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Waa! I wanna MF three!

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Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:24 pm
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Patch update:

The class locked Gunner weapons will have their Max Workers = 1 set correctly; if you look at all of the class locked weapon BPs, all have this, and it was an oversight that they do not.

Post-patch, each build will have a Max Worker = 1 on all gunner weapons



Bear this in mind on attempts to mass produce them.


Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:20 pm
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These Bps are mission items or dg/uber drops?

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Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:50 pm
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NewFound wrote:
These Bps are mission items or dg/uber drops?


DG/Uber drops I believe. The Preacher is from an even rarer bp than the Excomm it is built from.


Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:58 pm
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Team: Contingency
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Can we get the entire stats of the PBF? I can't remember all of the stats now that it's been changed 3 times. Thanks ahead of time.

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