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| Author: | LethalLoki [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
LethalLoki wrote: LethalLoki wrote: Change the scaled damage to start at 20, so that 20 would give maximum damage. 20-50 any higher and its not all that fair (scale it to 200 and have the damage drop off at an increasing %, or simply set it to max 100/125) EDIT: Or you could keep damage constant and scale range with speed to prevent kiting. (as suggested by villiroth, and it is my favorite suggestion, as it allows players with much more freedom to orchestrate attacks) Increase damage abit so it is somewhat on par with other classes. Increase projectile speed and/or knockback strength. % vis shielded from engine and/or +thrust/turning? This is an edited compilation of my opinions of what sniper class could use based on what ive seen, plus some cool extra stuffz. Soz Jeff, imo we have enough classes that have +dmg to specific damage type. |
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| Author: | Minaskosai [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
LethalLoki wrote: thebattler35 wrote: I don't believe people would use sniper for physical pushback, considering SD can be insanely broken with physical weapons like catapults at the moment due to the insanely high crit rate and insanely high RoF it's almost impossible to counter. Not to mention you wont be able to touch any speed demon worth his salt with a projectile weapon... Enter: Particle Beams!  xD
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| Author: | Battlecruiser23 [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keW0ZeU0fMI |
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| Author: | FracOMac [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Among a few other tweaks to Sniper, I think a bonus to projectile speed would be very advantageous and would also help to further differentiate it from other class. |
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| Author: | crackaman [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
IMHO, snipers should have insanely good tracking bonuses (so they basically get 100% tracking with everything) along with a boost to projectiles thrust (so that things like catas, mags etc. are basically full speed as soon as they are fired). |
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| Author: | villiroth [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
You can give snipers +100% damage with physical weapons and it wont matter because of ships resist's to them and like has been said over and over SD's can dodge any projectile weapon. Give them the +% to physical weapons but also boost there (snipers) projectile speed to something that stands a chance vs SD's. |
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| Author: | Demiser of D [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Yes, voomy, i have to say that as a sniper i very rarely die, and when i do, more often than not, it's not my fault.(See my topic on warp visibility in the bugs forum). I'd have to say that 3/4ths of my deaths are because of that, and then a large portion of the remaining deaths are because of the lack of a warm-up on engine vis to complement the cool down. That said, Long ago, i suggested a massive boost to physical damage for sniper. Why? Because of the fact that allmost ALL ships have massive physical resists. It's like giving a class laser damage boosts, sure it might be nice for perhaps one or two ubers, but for the rest of the game, people aren't going to use laser damage unless the boost is truly massive. 20% damage just isn't good enough to warrant the use of physical weapons in most circumstances, ESPECIALLY considering that physical weapons dont do enough DPS as it is. The only exception to that is, ofc, the zebra torp...which is broken, btw. 606 base DPS is kinda borked. ESPECIALLY considering that is costs MAYBE 500 mil, while my seige cata, costing me over 5 bil, does about 1/3rd the DPS. Of course, if the sniper can finagle a swingy cata, then in might be ok...but who is going to pay 50 BIL just to be decent as a sniper? (ok, i would. But thats besides the point, im weird  )Finally, unless the sniper class gets a projectile speed boost, the chances of a sniper actually hitting a SD? less than zero, seriously...unless the SD's player is asleep, afk, or dead, there's no way the shot is going to hit. The only way a projectile can currently hit a SD is to spam them en-masse, like a zerker does. Anyhoo. |
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| Author: | LethalLoki [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
A 20% bonus to physical damage is too small, but if given a massive boost to physical damage it could easily be overpowered. Just give sniper a small damage boost and tweak the rest of the skills so people will actually like it and it can be its own unique class. |
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| Author: | Battlecruiser23 [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
LethalLoki wrote: A 20% bonus to physical damage is too small, but if given a massive boost to physical damage it could easily be overpowered. Just give sniper a small damage boost and tweak the rest of the skills so people will actually like it and it can be its own unique class. +10% Radiation damage. 
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| Author: | tonal [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Hi, sometime working from the end back works well jeff ! You need to decide what a sniper should be able to do, or what you want it to do and work backwards. So …….. endgame Shm can out heal emp/lion…. Endgame DM solo most ubers and df 400.... Endgame FC solo rhino prince cess all dg ubers and df 400 Endgame MF ( with MC healer ) lion emp team raid and df 400 Endgame SD pvp cess and df 400 Endgame Gunner most ubers and df 400 Endgame Seer ??? but not a lot Engame SNIPER ……………… Test the end game sniper, work out the ubering and df then work backwards from there ( if it get too much there is always the nerf button ) But as it stands, why would people play a class with 0 ubering df ability, just ask how many people have a seer they use as there main dps. Tonal |
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| Author: | Superducky [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Maybe you could implement snipers gaining increased recoil and major increased damage when space breaks have been on for a short duration (heck they could even get other defensive boosts when space breaks are on), so they get like a minor seige mode on them. Like just one way to boost the class, then they'd be more like artillery. |
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| Author: | LethalLoki [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Superducky wrote: Maybe you could implement snipers gaining increased recoil and major increased damage when space breaks have been on for a short duration (heck they could even get other defensive boosts when space breaks are on), so they get like a minor seige mode on them. Like just one way to boost the class, then they'd be more like artillery. That could be an interesting ability, but I wouldnt make it so that you would need to use the seige mode to kill things... In my opinion the what the seige mode would/should do is, give a little turning boost (so they could operate like a turret), give defensive (+ resist or whatever stats), Increase damage, decrease tracking substancially, add some visibility but not too much, increase recoil, and maybe add increased projectile speed. Also upon exiting seige mode you should get a slight debuff? Im not sure, the whole thing would be pretty difficult to make good and usable without being broken... but thats no reason it shouldnt be considered. |
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| Author: | Battlecruiser23 [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
IMO. Gunner is your big Dreadnoughts, slugging away at each other and bases, a rather large group of Gunners requiring field support. All based on massive bank, these things can last a long time, but their regen cannot possibly allow them to be left alone. Sniper be the smaller ship, popping support on the battlefield. A kind of Anti-Support Support Ship. That mean one volley and good bye Shield Monkey. Then sneak away from immense range and some stealth. A long range cruiser, Heavy Assault Cruiser would be a good name. Snipers should have the highest range of all, but Gunners should be able to blast them easily if they got close enough. |
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| Author: | JeffL [ Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
Superducky wrote: Maybe you could implement snipers gaining increased recoil and major increased damage when space breaks have been on for a short duration (heck they could even get other defensive boosts when space breaks are on), so they get like a minor seige mode on them. Like just one way to boost the class, then they'd be more like artillery. That's the same idea as scaling damage inversely with speed. |
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| Author: | trevor54 [ Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Some proposed beefs to Snipers |
JeffL wrote: Superducky wrote: Maybe you could implement snipers gaining increased recoil and major increased damage when space breaks have been on for a short duration (heck they could even get other defensive boosts when space breaks are on), so they get like a minor seige mode on them. Like just one way to boost the class, then they'd be more like artillery. That's the same idea as scaling damage inversely with speed. I dont see it as that...sniper get what 20% max more damage if there doing it right? Mr Ducky here seems to be talking about a huge increase in damage with Less rof, Ie a sniper.. |
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