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Author:  Imra15 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:55 am ]
Post subject:  Dividing by zero
Simple really
If you have 10 apples, and you don't cut them up to divide to anyone, you have 10 apples.
If you look at it as someone who was going to get the apples, you would get -10 apples because the person supposed to give them out is not giving any.
Anyone smarter than me could possibly explain it even further.
Author:  DITKA [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
Ha! And I thought I was the only one out there who understood that math is simply just an opinion of events and that it can deviate. It is nothing more than a planned out series of events, but the planner is the determining factor. Thus if the planner is the key to affecting the events, then the events are only limited by the planners ability to execute them. Thus if the planner is a supreme being then 2 = 3. Or you can just pretend that the rules don't apply or use some crafty math function to make 2 = 3. In the end, your imagination and ability to make it reality is what is limiting you.

Dream a little dream.

/end_silly_rant
Author:  landswimmer [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
actually no, 2 =/= 3 ever. mathematics is inextricably tied to the physical world and space itself. if any "supreme being" was able to make 2 = 3, the universe would experience a "server crash"

and to divide 10 apples by zero, you'd be splitting them indefinetly, past the limits of how many atoms in the apples, and past the lower limits for energy "packets/quanta"

doing so would actually create an entirely new universe, because it would be the only alternative to "error - cannot divide by zero"
Author:  Imra15 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
Objection!
To cut the apple into infinite pieces the size of the apple pieces would have to be a number like 0.000000000000000000000000000001. That means you are actually dividing the apples to something. But in reality you are not sharing the apples at all which means the number simply would be 0.
Author:  cej1120con [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
Here's the solution:

Take the number 4, for instance. It comes just prior to 5 when counting integers. As a result, you can see that this number exists. Now if we multiply this 4 by that very 5, we arrive at a value of 20. This value can be further extended by simply adding 1, leaving us with the famous 21. Coincidence? I think not!

Now if we take the arrived value of 21 and multiply it by the square root of the original value, 4, then we have 42.

Now as I've explained, 21 is a relatively famous number that can easily be derived from the number 4 and 5 in a variety of methods. However, we can clearly see that when multiplied by the square root of the initial value of 4, we arrive at 42. But the importance of 42 is most clearly seen when we define it as the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Yet it is obvious this is not the answer you seek. The answer you seek is the simple stated fact that not a single fuck was given today.
Author:  Imra15 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
True.
Nice signature by the way.
Author:  Madridista [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
*waits for enkelin to unleash the math*
Author:  Predator1356 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
cej1120con wrote:
Here's the solution:

Take the number 4, for instance. It comes just prior to 5 when counting integers. As a result, you can see that this number exists. Now if we multiply this 4 by that very 5, we arrive at a value of 20. This value can be further extended by simply adding 1, leaving us with the famous 21. Coincidence? I think not!

Now if we take the arrived value of 21 and multiply it by the square root of the original value, 4, then we have 42.

Now as I've explained, 21 is a relatively famous number that can easily be derived from the number 4 and 5 in a variety of methods. However, we can clearly see that when multiplied by the square root of the initial value of 4, we arrive at 42. But the importance of 42 is most clearly seen when we define it as the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Yet it is obvious this is not the answer you seek. The answer you seek is the simple stated fact that not a single fuck was given today.



i really liked your ability to pull numbers out of your ass. is that how politicians do math?
Author:  Cygnus [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
If you divide a number by infinity, you have an infinitely small number. But as a mathematician once proved, an infinitely small number is indistinguishable from zero. So if you divide a number by infinity, you erase it from the universe entirely.
Author:  anilv [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
Cygnus wrote:
If you divide a number by infinity, you have an infinitely small number. But as a mathematician once proved, an infinitely small number is indistinguishable from zero. So if you divide a number by infinity, you erase it from the universe entirely.


No... lol.

The only sensible way to divide a number N by infinity is to consider the limit

N / x

as x tends to infinity. Here, "limit" is used as a precise mathematical term and doesn't bear the standard English meaning.

Claim: N / x tends to zero as x tends to infinity.
Proof: Suppose you wish to get within epsilon of zero (epsilon some small positive number). Just set Y = N / epsilon and for all x > Y, we have N / x < N / Y = epsilon. That means we can get arbitrarily close to zero as x grows large (just pick smaller and smaller epsilon). This is (roughly speaking) the mathematical definition of a limit.

--

By the way, landswimmer, 2 ≡ 3 (modulo 1). If you are working over the set of numbers R / Z (remainders of real numbers when divided by an integer), it is perfectly correct to write 2 = 3 = 0 since both have remainder zero when divided by some integer. You may naturally object that R / Z is an artificial space to work with, to which I can only say that I was just working with it yesterday.
Author:  a jedi master [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
a jedi master wrote:
You can't divide something into 0 pieces...

You can however take the limit as b approaches 0 of
1/b. which is infinity.

Because as b gets larger and larger, the value never stops increasing (never approaches a specific value) it increases forever.


This topic tends to be made by someone every once in a while
Author:  redalert150 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
anilv wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
If you divide a number by infinity, you have an infinitely small number. But as a mathematician once proved, an infinitely small number is indistinguishable from zero. So if you divide a number by infinity, you erase it from the universe entirely.


No... lol.

The only sensible way to divide a number N by infinity is to consider the limit

N / x

as x tends to infinity. Here, "limit" is used as a precise mathematical term and doesn't bear the standard English meaning.

Claim: N / x tends to zero as x tends to infinity.
Proof: Suppose you wish to get within epsilon of zero (epsilon some small positive number). Just set Y = N / epsilon and for all x > Y, we have N / x < N / Y = epsilon. That means we can get arbitrarily close to zero as x grows large (just pick smaller and smaller epsilon). This is (roughly speaking) the mathematical definition of a limit.

--

By the way, landswimmer, 2 ≡ 3 (modulo 1). If you are working over the set of numbers R / Z (remainders of real numbers when divided by an integer), it is perfectly correct to write 2 = 3 = 0 since both have remainder zero when divided by some integer. You may naturally object that R / Z is an artificial space to work with, to which I can only say that I was just working with it yesterday.



I use to think i was good at math before this...
Author:  Jesus 2.0 [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
anilv wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
If you divide a number by infinity, you have an infinitely small number. But as a mathematician once proved, an infinitely small number is indistinguishable from zero. So if you divide a number by infinity, you erase it from the universe entirely.


No... lol.

The only sensible way to divide a number N by infinity is to consider the limit

N / x

as x tends to infinity. Here, "limit" is used as a precise mathematical term and doesn't bear the standard English meaning.

Claim: N / x tends to zero as x tends to infinity.
Proof: Suppose you wish to get within epsilon of zero (epsilon some small positive number). Just set Y = N / epsilon and for all x > Y, we have N / x < N / Y = epsilon. That means we can get arbitrarily close to zero as x grows large (just pick smaller and smaller epsilon). This is (roughly speaking) the mathematical definition of a limit.

--

By the way, landswimmer, 2 ≡ 3 (modulo 1). If you are working over the set of numbers R / Z (remainders of real numbers when divided by an integer), it is perfectly correct to write 2 = 3 = 0 since both have remainder zero when divided by some integer. You may naturally object that R / Z is an artificial space to work with, to which I can only say that I was just working with it yesterday.


Enkelin, blowing your fucking mind with maths one post at a time.
Author:  Cygnus [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
anilv wrote:
Cygnus wrote:
If you divide a number by infinity, you have an infinitely small number. But as a mathematician once proved, an infinitely small number is indistinguishable from zero. So if you divide a number by infinity, you erase it from the universe entirely.


No... lol.

The only sensible way to divide a number N by infinity is to consider the limit

N / x

as x tends to infinity. Here, "limit" is used as a precise mathematical term and doesn't bear the standard English meaning.

Claim: N / x tends to zero as x tends to infinity.
Proof: Suppose you wish to get within epsilon of zero (epsilon some small positive number). Just set Y = N / epsilon and for all x > Y, we have N / x < N / Y = epsilon. That means we can get arbitrarily close to zero as x grows large (just pick smaller and smaller epsilon). This is (roughly speaking) the mathematical definition of a limit.

--

By the way, landswimmer, 2 ≡ 3 (modulo 1). If you are working over the set of numbers R / Z (remainders of real numbers when divided by an integer), it is perfectly correct to write 2 = 3 = 0 since both have remainder zero when divided by some integer. You may naturally object that R / Z is an artificial space to work with, to which I can only say that I was just working with it yesterday.


I never said I was being sensible :roll:

0.000...infinity zeroes...1 = 0.

(any number)/infinity=(0.000...infinity zeroes...1)

Therefore, any number/infinity=0!

It even makes sense. Any number divided by zero equals infinity, so the reverse should also be true. There are an infinite number of zeroes in any number, and zero infinites in any number(that is not infinity itself, though we could get into the different types of infinity...but then my brain would hurt...)
Author:  Madridista [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dividing by zero
redalert150 wrote:
I use to think i was good at math before this...


It's a thing of beauty when enk turns into his alter-ego Calcutron.
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