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Author:  Bastamental [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
anilv wrote:
With only three in game it's not like it would be that hard to remove an inbuilt and replace it with another. That just sounds like laziness to me. However, I'm not in favor of Basta's submerger idea. Seers are already able to dictate when combat takes place; they don't also get the best possible device to dictate when it ends.


Stealth was intended to dictate when it ends. Unfortunately collision code allows virtually every class to continue to dps an object that was never intended to be hit.

Thus forth, escape needs to be from speed, or warping.
Author:  anilv [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Then use a speed tweak or one of the many microwarpers at your disposal. You don't get a special device on a special ship for your every need. Or... change your combat style so you don't have to get right up in your enemy's face.
Author:  Bastamental [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
anilv wrote:
Then use a speed tweak or one of the many microwarpers at your disposal.


I carry blitz turbos 24/7 and my hop drive.

anilv wrote:
You don't get a special device on a special ship for your every need.


^Above posts explains why its a really important addition.

anilv wrote:
Or... change your combat style so you don't have to get right up in your enemy's face.


I don't use seer weapons as much anymore for this very reason. I use an ares sapper to range alot of my targets. Its just raping the way seers should fight. With DPH. With the massive amounts of base resists and lack of damage to compensate, DPH is really too risky to even bother with anymore.
Author:  anilv [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
I am not sure why this isn't sinking in. Berserkers complain they can't hold hostility against Snipers. While that may be true, they don't get a special ship with special hostility bonuses to "fix" the situation. Giving a class a special ship with a special ability does not constitute any fix to a perceived imbalance. Give up, it's not going to happen for you.

The only acceptable way to change things is to adjust the class skills themselves, which may actually happen at some point. However, the dev team is obviously going to take such an undertaking very serious since it's quite easy to mess things up even further. I don't have a strong opinion about whether Seer is actually at a disadvantage in PvP – I've seen many Seer play extremely effectively – but at any rate the way you're trying to fix it is misguided.

EDIT: you could also pull for a Seer-locked device that does something like this. At any rate it won't go on the hull of the ArH.
Author:  playerboy345 [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
anilv wrote:
I am not sure why this isn't sinking in. Berserkers complain they can't hold hostility against Snipers. While that may be true, they don't get a special ship with special hostility bonuses to "fix" the situation. Giving a class a special ship with a special ability does not constitute any fix to a perceived imbalance. Give up, it's not going to happen for you.

The only acceptable way to change things is to adjust the class skills themselves, which may actually happen at some point. However, the dev team is obviously going to take such an undertaking very serious since it's quite easy to mess things up even further. I don't have a strong opinion about whether Seer is actually at a disadvantage in PvP – I've seen many Seer play extremely effectively – but at any rate the way you're trying to fix it is misguided.

EDIT: you could also pull for a Seer-locked device that does something like this. At any rate it won't go on the hull of the ArH.


^
Author:  Bastamental [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Im not suggesting a fix, or anything like that. Its a fact that the inbuilts are crap and need replacing/revamping. Now you cant just throw any inbuilt in, it needs some thought. Especially because its intended to be a seer ship, it needs to cater to some of seers needs.

1 major need is to escape. Honestly can you find any other needs? Recon classes don't tank, they hit and run. With many broken aspects in the game you cant just hide anymore.


Not to be confused with any uber run issues. I don't think anyone has made a topic about beefing zerk's class hostility
Author:  kanescreed [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Inbuilt suxs yo not worth tehh elec usagee
Author:  Max235 [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
While the AGH's inbuilts are a letdown, and a lot of people are asking for some change (ObamaTM), you have shown that you want seer to be the most OP class in game. You don't care about balance; you just want to be that monster that can kill anyone, anyai, and anysquad.

And as enkelin has pointed out, a ship or superweapon that caters either specifically to your needs or is so OP any idiot can break the class is never going to happen.

So stop before you get seer nerfed, again.

PS: Kane makes a better seer.
Author:  kanescreed [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Lawl you go make a better seer. N im not even talkin bout seer im just simiply saying i never use the SSS. And btw what seer are you talkin about?
Author:  Bastamental [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Max235 wrote:
While the AGH's inbuilts are a letdown, and a lot of people are asking for some change (ObamaTM), you have shown that you want seer to be the most OP class in game. You don't care about balance; you just want to be that monster that can kill anyone, anyai, and anysquad.

And as enkelin has pointed out, a ship or superweapon that caters either specifically to your needs or is so OP any idiot can break the class is never going to happen.

So stop before you get seer nerfed, again.

PS: Kane makes a better seer.



You are fucking retarded. Nothing ive suggested in this topic is any were near broken. Its not like seer is ever going to do much damage anyways.

God. Your so retarded its just sad.
Author:  playerboy345 [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Chaosking3 wrote:
Bastamental wrote:
Max235 wrote:
While the AGH's inbuilts are a letdown, and a lot of people are asking for some change (ObamaTM), you have shown that you want seer to be the most OP class in game. You don't care about balance; you just want to be that monster that can kill anyone, anyai, and anysquad.

And as enkelin has pointed out, a ship or superweapon that caters either specifically to your needs or is so OP any idiot can break the class is never going to happen.

So stop before you get seer nerfed, again.

PS: Kane makes a better seer.



You are fucking retarded. Nothing ive suggested in this topic is any were near broken. Its not like seer is ever going to do much damage anyways.

God. Your so retarded its just sad.


Lolololol


^This, t21 seers can do insane DPS.
Author:  kanescreed [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
A sniper out dps anyday with any weapon a seer can use. Hell sniper does more dmg with a ppf also.
Author:  Bastamental [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
playerboy345 wrote:
^This, t21 seers can do insane DPS.


Kane is a sniper that acts like a seer. A t20 sniper can easily out dps my glass cannon dps setup.

So again, no.
Author:  playerboy345 [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Sniper is the DPS class, it is actually usefull now and it has a role in squad play, what is so hard to understand about this?
Author:  kanescreed [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes Winged Sandals
Seer doesnt do insane dps is all im trying to state n i didnt come in this to talk about seer. Im just talkin bout how lame the SSS are.
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