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Author:  Griffin [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Bastamental wrote:
Its not. Ever. I wouldn't even sign that. Derailer...

Compare a Zebucart to a Vulture. Would you use the Zebu if it were T20 instead of the Vulture?? Fuck no. Why? Because it has shit stats because it was balanced to be a T0 ship. Another example: you can't just take a Zeus Throne, make it T0, and say it's balanced.

Get what I'm saying?
Author:  Bastamental [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Yes, I understand, but seer dosent rely much on class. Its mostly from augmenters. So, with very low class, and very little, effective augs, especially with low AT lvl. It seems fit.
Author:  potato8 [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
half the speed, make it very vunerable to a damage type or two, make that 200% radar bonus into 75% stats would be a little bit less broken and i would say two aug slots with that OL three would be pushing it into brokeness even for seer,
personally would love to see a mission chain to obtain them but seer locked and perhaps nuerobound so they cant be spammed as slaves, could have the idea that was added for bounty missions where you have to hunt and kil certain ai to get it
Author:  Bastamental [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
I would love to have it less "spoon fed" But, noobs are lazy and would never bother with missions. As long as the ship generally resembles the stats here, im happy.
Author:  Griffin [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Bastamental wrote:
Yes, I understand, but seer dosent rely much on class. Its mostly from augmenters. So, with very low class, and very little, effective augs, especially with low AT lvl. It seems fit.


Like what Voomy did with the Absentis? All that happened was when Sniper got beefed it became totally overpowered. It has stats like a T21 ship. The answer to very bad stats on a class is not to give it OP gear unless you expect it to get nerfed to hell when it is actually fixed.

All that ship would do is put a band-aid on open heart surgery while delaying an actual class fix.
Author:  Bastamental [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Absentis was never OP, its just better than you 8b juju.
Author:  Griffin [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Bastamental wrote:
Absentis was never OP, its just better than you 8b juju.

And this is the part where you look like an absolute idiot.
Author:  Max235 [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Lion has been stated by the admins as a T21 ship before T21 and therefore a bit OP for T20.

Absentis has been stated by the same admins as the sniper's equivalent to a Lion.

Therefore, the Absentis is a T21 ship in a T20 classified hull.


OH, I'MA MAKE THE ZEUS THRONE T10! THATS NOT OP AT ALL!
Author:  paxiprime [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Lion OP? I think we all need to take a step back and rethink some things :)

Lion is no where near OP lol
Author:  Predator1356 [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
making a zeus throne t10 would fuck it up so bad
Author:  Max235 [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
paxiprime wrote:
Lion OP? I think we all need to take a step back and rethink some things :)

Lion is no where near OP lol


Theres 3 "Tiers" in the T20 ship sets. The admins don't like admitting that I'm right on this, so they call them "Entry, Mid, and Uber" level ships.

Seeing how theres only three levels of T20 ships, and the Zebra is the Uber level one, that makes the Lion either a T21 ship or a Tier 4 that didn't exist anywhere else for a long time until the Absentis came along.

It also makes no sense for the Lion and Absentis to be the only Tier 4's seeing how even without capships being involved, there are four other classes that could take advantage of the concept.

Why are shield monk, engineer, seer, and SD left out then?(Using pre-gunner/FC logic)(And at time, also sniper included with the other four)

Why does one class get to have a Tier 4 ship, while the other 7 do not?



Simple, the Lion wasn't supposed to be T20.



If you compare the Lion to the Zebra in powerpoints, the Lion trumps the Zebra as a DPS ship. It is also overall better due to the fact it has much more hull, because as you increase in experience, zerk gear tends to get bigger and bigger. You need the hull.
Author:  playerboy345 [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Bastamental wrote:
Absentis was never OP, its just better than you 8b juju.


Juju>absentis.
Author:  Bastamental [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Bump for Griffin's retarded ass to see.
Author:  Badgerlost [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
Nice way to unbalance the class skills with an uber ship like that, beware low level players! Bastas seer ship is gonna own you all!
Author:  Bastamental [ Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Basta's Mid Lvl Seer Ship [Aurora Ex Machina Reqested]
I have lvled a low level seer. After that experience, I realized all of the major issues that I mentioned in the topic. It does look very op, but after looking at what kind of underpowered problems lol lvl seers have. This is what I have concluded should be fit to fix the problem. I seriously hate the idea of spoon feeding low levels, but changing a class is out of the question. What else can be done? More augs? I think we are out of options. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be the only low level seed suggestion. It seems that seer is supplemented a lot by mission and NB items. What else can you add? Not to mention the only weps a low lvl seer with a brain uses only NB weps. We simply need to supplement more with a mainstream ship that acts as a big package of balancing. Eventually, reviving an underballanced aspect of the seer class. Nerfs are easier to implement than additions. If there are problems being complained about, then things will happen.
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