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| Author: | Cygnus [ Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
I get the feeling that it's already a decent ship, just people expect a bit more than fine for a 200b+ investment, especially since a dread can be built for about, oh, 1/200th that much. |
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| Author: | seanla4350 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Poseidon Wave - Amazing inbuilts, normal amount of augmenter slots Ares War Chariot - Amazing inbuilt drone, normal amount of augmenter slots Hephaestus Machine - Terrible inbuilt weapon, more augmenter slots than expected - along with insanely high inbuilt electricity Zeus Throne - Terrible inbuilt fighter generator, normal amount of augmenter slots Yes, with T21 augmenters, and when proper T21 fighters and T21 aura generators comes out then it will be a fine ship. But it is still severely underpowered for FCs when they are going to choose their ultimate overall FC ship. I would actually argue that I expect to see more people choose PBF FCs for squad play and runs over a Zeus Throne. |
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| Author: | saran [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
seanla4350 wrote: Poseidon Wave - Amazing inbuilts, normal amount of augmenter slots Ares War Chariot - Amazing inbuilt drone, normal amount of augmenter slots Hephaestus Machine - Terrible inbuilt weapon, more augmenter slots than expected - along with insanely high inbuilt electricity Zeus Throne - Terrible inbuilt fighter generator, normal amount of augmenter slots Yes, with T21 augmenters, and when proper T21 fighters and T21 aura generators comes out then it will be a fine ship. But it is still severely underpowered for FCs when they are going to choose their ultimate overall FC ship. I would actually argue that I expect to see more people choose PBF FCs for squad play and runs over a Zeus Throne. The PBF is better balanced for solo and squad game play. Any FC can dump on some auras and be suitable for team play..since they are used primarily for their auras anyway in a squad environment for ubers But they can actually do a lot more damage than a ZT so they are way nicer to have on a run then a ZT. |
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| Author: | Griffin [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
PBF is great for PvP as well. Imo, PBF should be the archetype for Gunner ships. |
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| Author: | Max235 [ Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
If I got a "GTFO ITS NOT HAPPENING 3AUG CAPSHITS BEING NORMAL" from Comet, what makes you think you'd be different? |
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| Author: | Griffin [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Can the MZT get some sort of missile generator as well as make their fighter bay multifunctional? It's the only thing stopping me from making my next ship an MZT. |
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| Author: | treygrey1 [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Is the MZT obtainable on live? If so, how? |
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| Author: | Max235 [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Buy the upgrade item at Free Market. |
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| Author: | Cygnus [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
For the measly price of only 99 billion! |
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| Author: | Griffin [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Still less than a ZT, and more powerful in my opinion. |
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| Author: | treygrey1 [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Quite a bit better than the ZT, if it can launch missiles that is. |
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| Author: | saran [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
treygrey1 wrote: Quite a bit better than the ZT, if it can launch missiles that is. And people wonder why we think the ZT's design stats need to be revisited? The red photon ships are better balanced, the paxian battle frigate is better balanced and something you can buy from an AI station is apparently more effective than a 200bil T21 capitalship. |
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| Author: | Aurora Ex Machina [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
treygrey1 wrote: Quite a bit better than the ZT, if it can launch missiles that is. If true, I find this officially bad design: there's no way a ship that is found in a celestial base should be in any way comparable to a 100bil build from the hardest zone in the game, even if it cost x10 the amount. Jesus wept. I'll be looking over this very carefully: I wouldn't buy a MZT for now. |
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| Author: | Griffin [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
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| Author: | saran [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PBFs / Capitals, Redux |
Aurora Ex Machina wrote: treygrey1 wrote: Quite a bit better than the ZT, if it can launch missiles that is. If true, I find this officially bad design: there's no way a ship that is found in a celestial base should be in any way comparable to a 100bil build from the hardest zone in the game, even if it cost x10 the amount. Jesus wept. I'll be looking over this very carefully: I wouldn't buy a MZT for now. That'd be cool. still love to see something else done with the ZT too. Being able to launch 12 moderately squishy fighters every 6 minutes looks impressive as hell. (until someone actually shoots em..) There an official reason that makes sense as to why the ship sucks so bad for its cost and difficulty? I know I have been persistent, But that is the only way to keep people looking at it if they are busy, as busy people tend to get sidetracked and forget sometimes. And I do not mean to be an ornery pain in the ass... But this is no different then when the assault behemoth was shit. Though at least that was changed in ways that made sense and worked. |
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