that would be nice considering everyone remembers you as level 2.8k

Yeah, I can agree with this - there has always been admin v player discussions/arguments/complaints about misuse of power/information/etc since I first joined in june 2005.

The player/dev thing is a problem which can't really be solved in a game of this size imo. I just wish we had more ambitious players outside of SBP so there was actually a challenge to their power.



waiting for those logs to come out!

Team Thermal!

This...

This just seems to me like unneccessary trouble seeking at a time where it is niether needed or warranted. As much as I love you Alex, I disagree that this was the right action to take.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for the misdoings of Shaft to be made public, especially as this confirms a number of idle allegations that had been made against SP in the past. It's also perfectly reasonable to have misgivings about content devs playing on some of the first squads to attempt their content, although I have no trouble believing that Frac did so in good faith and nothing inappropriate took place. The fact that he has now pledged to abstain from any of his future content until it's been done by others is a great step for a game with so many player-devs, and also validates the original concern.

So I'd say for at least two of his points, it was appropriate, even advisable, to bring them to the attention of the player base.

Careful. Wouldn't want to come off as dyslexic again would we? Infact, lets add the phrases "moronic" and "unable to analyse" to the mix. And before you call me a "pompous stuck up spasticated wanker" again, lets me just say that the difference between me and you is that my insults are based on fact whilst yours are based on testosterone.

1. I never said you stated that Frac was in the top 10. What I said was that the screeny OF the top 10 did not contain Frac's name and that the current top 10 did not have Fracs name. Hence me then saying don't use the screeny as part of your argument that Frac's levels were not removed.

2. You say that "FracOMac's name was also shooting up like a rocket." How does this have any bearing on whether or not his levels are removed? I never contested the point that Frac did not benefit from the levelling. What I did contest is your claim his levels were never removed.

3. 2800 by your count is a rough estimate. It has been already 1month since Frac stopped using the bug as per Bageeses community announcement. Add in also the XP he obtained in the week prior to that announcement from tithe (From people not levelling in Hermes). That is very close to your estimate of 2800-3200 in 1.5 months.

4. I do not hate the world and have no reason to assume everyone is lying, only the retarded ones. You say that the admins lie when they backed up Frac on his removal of levels. Yet you also want the admins to deal with this situation by a change of policies and a punishing of those involved. How can you possibly ask admins to do one thing, then accuse them of lying about something else? It seems that you only "believe" what suits you and call everything else a lie.



Such a thing can be called a false memory. You did not have a clear memory of what Frac's level was. Perhaps he was level 3.3k. Perhaps he was level 2.8k. The moment Combustion mentioned that Frac was 2.8k, your brain took that as a memory of what actually happened. Read up on it.

"but the principle that memories can be altered by outside influences is overwhelmingly accepted by scientists"
^ Paterson, H. M., Kemp, R. I., & Forgas, J. P. (2010). "Co-witnesses, confederates, and conformity: The effects of discussion and delay on eyewitness memory.," Psychiatry, Psychology and Law.

enkelin is right, it should be public knowledge when this type of thing happens. SS also has a previous history of dev exploitation, it's not a new thing for this game, and players have a right to know they are in balanced competition with other players for key content.



Players have a right to question these things, and to expect answers to these questions regard player/dev exploitation.

Of course they have a right to question these things. But not to make outright accusations of FracOMac before they have any form of evidence.

That's just Tom's way of asking a question lol. Just filter out the rage/insults.

A most interesting topic. 4/5 stars.

No. i remember him as level 2800. comb just beat me to the punch about it. Frac said he would be willing to show logs proving his level so why don't you just let him do that rather than trying your best to make everyone around you feel retarted?

This is how a false memory works I do believe. But sure, Frac should post some logs somehow.

you claiming that i am having a false memory has the same validity in an argument as me saying that i remember level so i don't see how you can argue with me

But if you look at my original post which referred to your statement of "that would be nice considering everyone remembers you as level 2.8k." The chances of everyone believeing and remembering that Frac was 2.8k was close to nil. Hence me saying that if they did believe that, it would be a false memory.

I understand what you mean though.