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| Author: | Blue Dwarf [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
I'm not greatly familiarized with the Speed Demon world; would 18300 thrust and 4740 turning be acceptable, at cost of increased visibility (90). That would be the easiest change without making the engine out of line from the structure that Olympus gear uses. |
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| Author: | anilv [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Blue Dwarf wrote: I'm not greatly familiarized with the Speed Demon world; would 18300 thrust and 4740 turning be acceptable, at cost of increased visibility (90). That would be the easiest change without making the engine out of line from the structure that Olympus gear uses. Yes, that would be a good change. If possible reducing the turning and adding more thrust would be even better, since above 3k is really excessive for SD. |
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| Author: | goett [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Blue Dwarf wrote: I'm not greatly familiarized with the Speed Demon world; would 18300 thrust and 4740 turning be acceptable, at cost of increased visibility (90). That would be the easiest change without making the engine out of line from the structure that Olympus gear uses. ?? that is broken methinks I realize it's a t21 LF engine.. but g'dam. lemme check my stats tonight but lotttttta thrust. |
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| Author: | Blue Dwarf [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
goett wrote: Blue Dwarf wrote: I'm not greatly familiarized with the Speed Demon world; would 18300 thrust and 4740 turning be acceptable, at cost of increased visibility (90). That would be the easiest change without making the engine out of line from the structure that Olympus gear uses. ?? that is broken methinks I realize it's a t21 LF engine.. but g'dam. lemme check my stats tonight but lotttttta thrust. It has 1m weight... |
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| Author: | Chaosking3 [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
He is right, that is a looot of thrust. |
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| Author: | anilv [ Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
goett and Spatzz, please refer to the math I posted on the first page if you think the suggested stats are broken. Given 1.082mil weight of the engine, the suggestion works out very nearly to the same handling a SD would get using an unmodded Mzungu Flying Contrast. That's assuming a pre-engine weight of 2.5mil (rather high for SD), and the handling only gets worse as the pre-engine weight goes down. I think my reputation upholds that I am not bending any figures whatsoever when I make this claim. |
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| Author: | Javatech [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
I really have no need for anything more than 2,500 turning myself (my current engine is 2530 and I nerf it by about 50% with /maxturn) ...SD gets a turning bonus.. but 1.5 - 2x more thrust? Yes please. |
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| Author: | goett [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
aye, but that much thrust doesn't solely affect handling, it might accelerate slowly but imagine trying to tractor something with that much thrust. sd's get an added agility bonus through class, and in that instance weight doesn't come into play. you have the handling right enk but that much thrust is a boat load of thrust outside of just plain ship handling. |
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| Author: | anilv [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
goett wrote: aye, but that much thrust doesn't solely affect handling, it might accelerate slowly but imagine trying to tractor something with that much thrust. sd's get an added agility bonus through class, and in that instance weight doesn't come into play. you have the handling right enk but that much thrust is a boat load of thrust outside of just plain ship handling. Conceded, but I don't think anyone's going to have trouble tractoring a SD, no matter what engine they use. All the same, let me suggest a different balance of thrust and weight that would be in line with what Blue Dwarf put. 14000 Thrust and 320,000 weight would give the same handling for a 2mil pre-engine weight as the 18300 / 1,082,000 suggestion. Everyone OK with that? Could also do 15400 thrust and 550,000 weight. Or 14500 and 400,000 weight. Lots of options. And as I said, turning is almost irrelevant. |
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| Author: | Javatech [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
I just want a 10:1 thrust/turn ratio engine to compensate for my incredibly heavy HF panther. |
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| Author: | anilv [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Javatech wrote: I just want a 10:1 thrust/turn ratio engine to compensate for my incredibly heavy HF panther. Quit whining about your heavy Panther!  Anyway, Speed Demon can always use more thrust but that's not specifically what this thread is about. I'm hoping that the balance sheets don't throw a fit if the numbers I suggested just above are put in, since they do give the same handling as the ones Blue Dwarf came up with. |
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| Author: | Javatech [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Enk. FINE!.. How about instead of increasing Thrust how about a -weight modifier. But really admins.. give me a 15k thrust engine with 1.5k turning.. |
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| Author: | Asmodeaan [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
merc ramjet is fairly close to those stats blueswarm. |
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| Author: | Javatech [ Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Asmodeaan wrote: merc ramjet is fairly close to those stats blueswarm. I am talking about an engine for SD, not Sniper. SD doesn't get %hull back from equipping unnecessarily large items. (engine is 2x too big) |
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| Author: | anilv [ Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ares Black Stallions / rework treatment of engine weight |
Bump so this doesn't get lost. |
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